Questions about starting in IPSC

Steve, you already have a gun that is fine for getting into IPSC. Pick up a cheap, $20 fabric holster with some inexpensive magazine pouches and shoot your Beretta for a season. Unless it's horribly unreliable, it'll be fine for getting your feet wet.

Get comfortable with the concept of action shooting before you start looking for gear that will improve your performance. Once you're on the range, you'll meet a whole bunch of guys that will let you try their guns in the safety area so you can see what feels best in your hand. You'll also get a chance to see the range of allied equipment that you can spend your hard earned dollars on.

I hate to say it, but the equipment is not going to make a huge difference to you in the first year anyways (unless, like I said, it jams regularly). A lot of people here have opinions on equipment choice, etc, but it's a lot easier explained with all the different guns in the safety area so you can actually FEEL what the difference is between the double action/single action/double action only triggers, grips, etc.

Personally, with all of my limited shooting experience, my next gun is going to be a CZ Shadow. However, I'm quite comfortable with my gun handling, and the idea of manually decocking doesn't scare me. I shot (and occasionally still shoot) my Glock and have a lot of fun with it.

After all, that's the point of the game, isn't it? To have fun?
 
oenone said:
Can you use the Rock River Arms LAR-15 for IPSC? I know it might be sort of like doing a drag race with a transit bus, but it still is a pistol.
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I would suspect that since the rounds would damage many of the steel targets, the ammunition would be deemed unsafe for use in the sport.
 
ya you can loose that "snappy" feeling when you play with your loads, if your shooting factory then you might have some snappy problems.
some shoot glock well, others couldnt hit the broad side of a barn.
 
hungrybeagle said:
Steve, you already have a gun that is fine for getting into IPSC. Pick up a cheap, $20 fabric holster with some inexpensive magazine pouches and shoot your Beretta for a season. Unless it's horribly unreliable, it'll be fine for getting your feet wet.

Get comfortable with the concept of action shooting before you start looking for gear that will improve your performance. Once you're on the range, you'll meet a whole bunch of guys that will let you try their guns in the safety area so you can see what feels best in your hand. You'll also get a chance to see the range of allied equipment that you can spend your hard earned dollars on.

I hate to say it, but the equipment is not going to make a huge difference to you in the first year anyways (unless, like I said, it jams regularly). A lot of people here have opinions on equipment choice, etc, but it's a lot easier explained with all the different guns in the safety area so you can actually FEEL what the difference is between the double action/single action/double action only triggers, grips, etc.

Personally, with all of my limited shooting experience, my next gun is going to be a CZ Shadow. However, I'm quite comfortable with my gun handling, and the idea of manually decocking doesn't scare me. I shot (and occasionally still shoot) my Glock and have a lot of fun with it.

After all, that's the point of the game, isn't it? To have fun?
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And i also totally agree with hungrybeagle.
 
Your gun is fine for IPSC. A holster that covers the trigger and 4 mag pouches, and 5 mags and you are good to go for the black badge course. I think Gerald Anderson got to master class running a berretta.
 
7.62mm said:
Both accounts were from seasoned IPSC shooters, one a GM....I am not going to post their names here, but you can Pm for their names, if you feel the need!
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Mark it up as chatter. Any work on a CZ that is "required" to deal with accuracy and reliability speaks to ego more than need. Like any gun you can have work done to improve trigger pull and sights become personal preference but I haven't met many shooters recently that can shoot better than a CZ can provide out of the box. I would assume they would say that about any gun made, not limiting the comment to CZ's.

Take Care

Bob
 
Well Bob...a very high percentage of CZ Shadows are prone to stove pipe jams. I would guess that most people don't ##### about it because fixing the issue is straddling the line regarding IPSC Production rules.

The problem seems to be isolated to the Shadow...and it's not "chatter"

Canuck44 said:
Mark it up as chatter. Any work on a CZ that is "required" to deal with accuracy and reliability speaks to ego more than need. Like any gun you can have work done to improve trigger pull and sights become personal preference but I haven't met many shooters recently that can shoot better than a CZ can provide out of the box. I would assume they would say that about any gun made, not limiting the comment to CZ's.

Take Care

Bob
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Bob, not bashing CZ Shadow, I own one and I like it.
One of a new shooters in my club asked me few months ago which pistol he should buy as starter and eventually for IPSC. I told him, IMO Shadow has all you need for, accuracy, simplicity, nice mag release, good sights and it easy to modify, without breaking any rules.
He went to the store and got one.
He was so happy and when we met at the range, he showed his pistol to me.
That particular Shadow was a bad one. It only operate on SA mode, with hammer cocked, he couldn't shoot with hammer lowered as per Production Div. requirement.
I felt like ars. Try to give him best advice and his first pistol was a crap.
I hope he took it to the store and they were able to fix the problem in timely fashion.

Greetings
 
Quigley said:
Well Bob...a very high percentage of CZ Shadows are prone to stove pipe jams. I would guess that most people don't ##### about it because fixing the issue is straddling the line regarding IPSC Production rules.

The problem seems to be isolated to the Shadow...and it's not "chatter"
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Quigley if you load down to 125ish PF then they might want to run a lighter recoil spring. Not the guns fault just requires ammo with a little more bark. That and if you shoot reloads don't load them long CZ's have a reputation of having short but within spec chambers. I shoot Saeco 125 gr lead truncated cone boolits and never have had a problem other than one limp wristed induced jam. I am going to Lyman 147 gr lead RN and you have to load them short.

Take Care

Bob
 
Filthy1 said:
And to be fair there is also a "Revolver Standard Division"... (Think wheelchair races at the nursing home) (Sorry revo guys... I just don't know how you do it.) It takes a very patient man to play IPSC with a revolver, in my opinion.
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It also takes a very patient man to WATCH revolver shooters play IPSC. Ugh, painful.
 
Several shooters (in the dozens) tried several fixes (including spring weights) I think CZ needs to address a quality control issue.



Canuck44 said:
Quigley if you load down to 125ish PF then they might want to run a lighter recoil spring. Not the guns fault just requires ammo with a little more bark. That and if you shoot reloads don't load them long CZ's have a reputation of having short but within spec chambers. I shoot Saeco 125 gr lead truncated cone boolits and never have had a problem other than one limp wristed induced jam. I am going to Lyman 147 gr lead RN and you have to load them short.

Take Care

Bob
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Hungrybeagle pretty much said it all. If you are interested in getting into the sport send me a PM. We shoot almost weekly at Abbotsford and its a good building block for IPSC. I got to GM with a Beretta and would still be shooting it if they made the Elite II.
 
fun that fits your hands and you shoot well

PeterPan said:
Just ask this question:
who is shooting same pistol since they got into this sport?
And I am not talking recent, new members, but those who have shoot more then 10,000 rounds or so.
Myself I went through 3 pistols to settle on one.
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My first pistol ever became my ipsc gun (Colt 1991A1 .45) since 1993 and 1995 for ipsc... yuppers, I am still shootin it for ipsc.....but I'm probably one of the few to do so....granted, I have modified it more than once since and it shoots pretty decent... and likely to upgrade one day....

most important...like others say, try as many as possible and buy the gun thats reputation is very reliable, fits well in your hand and you seem to shoot well with it and then practice as much as you can.....
 
Quigley said:
Several shooters (in the dozens) tried several fixes (including spring weights) I think CZ needs to address a quality control issue.
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hot damn! you have a death wish on these CZs! i just recently purchased one, only put 200 rounds through it so far and no problems. maybe to soon to tell.

i really love the feel of the gun, and i really like the weight compared to the rubbermaid guns. it's like a 1911, :nest:
 
I haven't shot IPSC in years - more of an IDPA/ODPL man myself. The one piece of advice that I like to give to new shooters is "its not the gun its the shooter" If you have the money find a nice gun you can shoot well then put the rest of your money into a good progressive press and ammo. Then practice, practice and practice some more.
Most of the best shooters i've met could finish in the top at any match with just about any gun.

Andy
 
The weak link on the CZ shadows was/is the mags which if the feedlips were out of spec a little(flared) caused the stovepipe jams, actually there was also the 17lb recoil, spring on the original SPO1 that didn't help either.
A little time spent inspecting and a pair of flat jawed pliers fixed the problem.
Hardly pushing the limits of production.:)
 
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