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This is my first post, so I'd like to say "hi". It seems this is a very informative place to visit. Anyway, I have two questions:

1) Anybody handle/shoot the "new" Winchester M70 Extreme Weather SS?? I'm thinking of one in 308. I already have 2 older M70s.

2) Does Savage make rifles that compare in quality to Winchester, Browning, Remington??

Thank for your input!
 
Stonegoat said:
This is my first post, so I'd like to say "hi". It seems this is a very informative place to visit. Anyway, I have two questions:

1) Anybody handle/shoot the "new" Winchester M70 Extreme Weather SS?? I'm thinking of one in 308. I already have 2 older M70s.

2) Does Savage make rifles that compare in quality to Winchester, Browning, Remington??

Thank for your input!
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Welcome Stonegoat. Nice too see new members with fresh perspectives. I have no experience with the Winchester you mentioned. I do have experience with the other rifles you mentioned. The Savage is to rifles what the Tasco is to scopes. I other words, its a good functional piece of equipment but not up to the quality of the others. You usually get what you pay for and that is why the Savage is generally cheaper. This is very simplistic, but I don't think we need a lesson on metallurgy and quality of fit and finnish. Buy the best gun you can afford, and be sure to at least try it for fit and ergonomics. Others will chime in I'm sure, but this is my opinion, to be taken for what it is worth. Just an opinion.
 
I'd take a Savage over the brands you mentioned any day. I prefer the fit and finish etc. of my Tikka, but my second choice would be Savage for value and out of box accuracy.
 
Welcome!

1) No experience on that gun either other than thinking they're real good looking.

2) Savage rifles generally do not compare on metal finish, fit to the stock, and the stock itself (I have not handled one with the new stock though). People will tell you the stocks are flimsy (on the entry level versions) and they are not kidding. It may not even be molded quite straight. The bolts have a lot of lateral movement when you cycle them (but of course they close up right). But that said, Savage rifles seem to match or beat the other brands on accuracy, they seem just as reliable, and they are probably the easiest rifles to upgrade with aftermarket parts. I'm very seriously considering my next rifle being a Savage for this reason.

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Used to be a Remington fan, now it's Savage all the way. Will never win a prize for good looks, but excellent accuracy, "accutrigger" is great, and several very good mechanical design features + great value for your money.
Did I mention that I like Savage rifles? Yes, I do. Have two .308's and one .22.
 
I'm not such a fan of the new Extreme Weather. If I recall it has a somewhat grippy stick, but no checkering. The barrel is only half fluted as well. To me, I don't see it being worth $400 more then a standard sporter. If you want a lighter rifle, get a featherweight. But I think the build quality is far greater then a Savage but, Savage has far better value. Same for the Brownings and Sakos. I cannot speak of the X-bolt as I just don't like them but in my experiance with the A-bolt I thought it was a great rifle. The Sako being double the cost of most Winchesters and Brownings is in my opinion not worth it. They build a great product, but their rifle isn't worth $1800. There is nothing there feature wise you can't find on any other rifle. Even the cheapest Savage can probably shoot as well. The fit and finish is superb, but other then that they just cost way too much.
 
Savage has been and I would hope,will always be,the working man's rifle.
The kind of iron that everyone can afford and shoot without compromising where it counts-accuracy & reliability.
If it goes bang every time and the bullet ends up where you aim it...does it matter if the stock is made of gold?
jmo ;)
 
The Savage 110, by meaning is a "cheap" gun - here I mean, not-expensive. The purpose of the 110 was to offer a cheap but solid design, by simplifying the machining operations and lowering the number of parts, and when Nicola Brewer designed it in 1958, he sure made it right.
Soon after the 110 followed the Remington 700... and the Winchester M/70 post-64... the Husqvarna 1970 (Carl Gustav / Zoli 1900)... and on and on...

Cheap and simplified don't nescessary means lower quality. The best example is the Tikka, but you can also add to it quite a lot of "higher grade" rifles, such as the Swiss Arms SHR970.

If you carefully look at Savage production over the years, you'll see they also produced better finished rifles, with higher wood grade. Instead of the common Beech and Birch, they also use(d) fancy walnut.
Have a look at the Euro and American classics and you'll see they compare in finishing to quite a few more expensive rifles.
 
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MustangFrank said:
Welcome Stonegoat. Nice too see new members with fresh perspectives. I have no experience with the Winchester you mentioned. I do have experience with the other rifles you mentioned. The Savage is to rifles what the Tasco is to scopes. I other words, its a good functional piece of equipment but not up to the quality of the others. You usually get what you pay for and that is why the Savage is generally cheaper. This is very simplistic, but I don't think we need a lesson on metallurgy and quality of fit and finnish. Buy the best gun you can afford, and be sure to at least try it for fit and ergonomics. Others will chime in I'm sure, but this is my opinion, to be taken for what it is worth. Just an opinion.
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Care to elaborate?
Are you saying they're manufactured with inferior metals?
 
I'd take an accurate rifle over a poser rifle any day of the week.... ;)

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TheTooner said:
Savage rifles are very accurate and very good value. MustangFrank's opinion is less so.
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Thank you for agreeing with my statement that they are good functional pieces of equipment. That includes accuracy, but value is not a reflection of quality. Tasco makes some pretty good scopes in case you didn't know, but not up to the quality of the more expensive ones. Value ( low price ) should not be the deciding factor in chosing a gun unless thats all you can afford. I know, I know, someone out there dissagrees. Thats what makes this site so good. Personal attacks...not so good. Get used to that stonegoat and let us know what you decide.
 
Savage vs. others

Pickles said:
Care to elaborate?
Are you saying they're manufactured with inferior metals?
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I guess that depends on what you define as " inferior ". I am in no way qualified to give a lesson on metalurgy. I do trust the research others have done to come up with this conclusion. And no, I do not have that source at hand to post a link. Sorry. What are your thoughts on the question at hand Pickles ?
 
MustangFrank said:
I guess that depends on what you define as " inferior ". I am in no way qualified to give a lesson on metalurgy. I do trust the research others have done to come up with this conclusion. And no, I do not have that source at hand to post a link. Sorry. What are your thoughts on the question at hand Pickles ?
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I don't have any thoughts on the subject.
But I also don't allude to the fact something is inferior because I "read" about it on the internet.

This is nothing more than a Ford vs. Chevy thing.
Some people don't like Savages, myself included.

But to say that they are inferior because YOU don't like them, well that's just how the internet works.:D
 
MustangFrank said:
I guess that depends on what you define as " inferior ". I am in no way qualified to give a lesson on metalurgy. I do trust the research others have done to come up with this conclusion. And no, I do not have that source at hand to post a link. Sorry. What are your thoughts on the question at hand Pickles ?
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So, you aren't qualified to give your opinion, because opinion would have to be based somewhere in faxct. And you don't have proof and offer only vague reference to "research others have done".

Savage rifles are proofed the same as other rifles and conform to SAAMI specs for ammunition, no? Why would anyone believe that the metal used in their production is somehow inferior without some proof? You sound like that guy on the news last night going on about all the detainees having been tortured. Bring facts then we will listen. Until then, don't pass off your opinion as fact.
 
Pickles said:
I don't have any thoughts on the subject.
But I also don't allude to the fact something is inferior because I "read" about it on the internet.
But to say that they are inferior because YOU don't like them, well that's just how the internet works.:D
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Thats so funny. You don't have an opinion. You just like lurking around the internet picking other people's opinions apart. Wow. Very helpful to a new guy asking for OPINIONS. You're right though, Ford vs Chevy thing is a good analogy. I don't have to give a 300 page thesis to say I think Ford makes better trucks do I ? backed up with all the data from some empirical tests. I just think Chevy's are crap. Its not a fact. It's just an opinion.
 
I'm a Dodge kinda guy.
Oh, and I do have opinions on what rifles I like.:D

But I don't give a rat's ass what someone shoots.
 
BigUglyMan said:
So, you aren't qualified to give your opinion, because opinion would have to be based somewhere in faxct. And you don't have proof and offer only vague reference to "research others have done".

Savage rifles are proofed the same as other rifles and conform to SAAMI specs for ammunition, no? Why would anyone believe that the metal used in their production is somehow inferior without some proof? You sound like that guy on the news last night going on about all the detainees having been tortured. Bring facts then we will listen. Until then, don't pass off your opinion as fact.
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So you are suggesting that we cannot offer an OPINION on what we think based on other peoples research ?? Do you actually think it is correct to not pass off an opinion unless I have sat beside the author of an article who did the actual research or even better did the testing myself. Sheesh. I say again, Savage rifles are reliable and useful rifles. The fact that they are proofed the same as other rifles and meet SAAMI specs does not put them in the class of far better made rifles. You surely know that. My God, this site would be nothing but the EE if it were not for people offering their thoughts. Don't take yourself so seriously. I have read your posts.

So please add something usefull for Stonegoat. If all you want to do is bash others then please don't offer your opinion. Wait, I forgot where I was for a moment. Bash away.
 
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