Mossberg ATR Train wreck!

Ghostsaww said:
As well, my 500 has never failed me once, and is currently pushing 3500 rounds of assorted birdshot, buck, and slugs. AND my lee equipment is still going strong after a couple thousand rounds.
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I could'nt agree more ;)
I have steered a number of newbie buyers away from any/all of the new Mossberg centerfire rifle line-up and to stick to Weatherby Vanguard or Savage rifles.
 
Easy to assume that position......until it's your eye gone, or your son or daughter who has their cheek blown off, which is what happened.

Take another look at the pictures,and consider this is out of a rifle that had fired less than a box of factory ammo when the bolt came apart. It is just one of several that has come adrift. :rolleyes:

Read Leeper's post again. It's not just that the bolt handle comes off, but that the bolt can be closed and the rifle fired without the locking lugs engaging when this happens.

Ted
 
Ted (or anyone else),

My brother bought a Mossberg Nighttrain II a while back and just let me know. Now I know the Nightrain II cost $200 or so more than the first model, but does anyone know if it as affected by all this silliness? I don't think he's shot it; I do know he thinks it's about as cool as a $600 rifle can be. I'm a bit concerned at this point, but I don't really want to just call him up and suggest he get rid of his rifle if this model is not affected.

What do you guys think?
 
jumper said:
This is no worse than my custom Prairie GunWorks where the bolt handle broke off from falling on the floor. Handle was threaded into the bolt with an integral thread that naturally broke off at the junction of the larger diameter.
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Well duh. Only french military rifles are built to withstand being dropped. That rifle is meant to be carried and fired only. (Sorry franco's I couldn't resist:))
 
As has been very simply explained by Leeper, the design is flawed, in that the bolt is able to be closed and the rifle fired without the locking lugs engaging, if the bolt handle comes away from the bolt body as it did in the pictures.

This is an entirely different situation from a bolt handle coming off a Remington 700 or PGW custom like jumper's rifle.

I would call Mossberg directly, and ask them if the action is the same, or if it has been changed in the II model to take care of the problem.

Ted
 
yes i agree mossberg are cheap guns but just cause its cheap does not meen it wont shoot well a buddy of mine has an older moss in 308 that will shoot with the best of them and i've owned a couple of stevens 200 that both shot .5 inch groups with factory ammo and did the sako trg not just have a bolt recall just a while ago
 
GreenIce said:
Well all ATRs may not be created equal, and the product is definitely being geared towards the cost conscious, but for what you pay - I have only found them to be good value. Sure it is no Olympic winner but my 30.06 would, and still does, shoot 1" 10 shot groups at 100yards all day long with regular cheap Federal ammo. So for a $500 (or less) rifle scope combo and $17box ammo - it works for me and my hunting needs. :) Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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You obviously have a good rifle there. But if I go out and buy a new mossy, then I don't know if the gun will tear my face off. It happened to a few of them, so how many more? Sure, it's probably just a missed step in the manufacturing process, and if all steps are done correctly then they'll all turn out like yours, but I'm not going to take that chance. I was thinking of getting an inexpensive rifle, but I'm now sure it won't be a mossy!
 
Or Savage 111/11 fcxp.
Package deal like the nightmare, with scope. You can get a great rifle for little $$$
I paid under $500 bucks after tax, and have had mine for about a year and put about 500 rounds through it. Shoots 1 inch groups and I have not fired many more than those 500 rounds so I have alot to learn. Could prolly do better in the right hands. Mysticplayer from Mystic precision has good things to say about Stevens/Savage.
 
hakx said:
Another litigation that is damaging the industry. Civil suites are as American an apple pie.
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Another thing that's as American as apple pie (not to mention all the rage in Canada as well) is the consumer addiction to cheaply made low priced goods, most often coming from overseas.

We can thank Wal-Mart and the Chinese manufacturing industry for stepping up to the plate to feed this addiction, prompting manufacturers across all industries to produce cheaper products with lower price tags.
 
Silverado said:
Another thing that's as American as apple pie (not to mention all the rage in Canada as well) is the consumer addiction to cheaply made low priced goods, most often coming from overseas.

We can thank Wal-Mart and the Chinese manufacturing industry for stepping up to the plate to feed this addiction, prompting manufacturers across all industries to produce cheaper products with lower price tags.
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EXACTLY! A real shame, imo.
 
At that price point, I'm not surprised it's a piece of #### - one would expect that the rifle would still be safe to operate, though.

Leeper - thanks for the informative post about bolt construction, I learned something today!
 
As i'm sure you've noticed this is an old thread. I have a new atr and have put many hundreds of rounds thru it with no prob. The bolt on my gun does not look like the one pictured. Hopefully its contructed better.
 
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