Why No Bounty for Coyote's in Ontario?
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This topic was just on the local radio station that there is proposal to increase the bounty on coyotes, which is heading in the right direction. I have had alot of farmers who know me ask me to hunt coyotes on their property because they have had numerous problems with them.
tactical870
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Buckhorn, Ontario
Damn coyote beat me to my tree stand this morning, eating corn from my bait pile all night according to my trail cam. Someone needs to do something about these coyotes...
- Location
- London,Ontario
- Location
- London,Ontario
I was in Meaford the other night and heard a pack of coyotes yapping and howling in the distance. Made me feel like I was back in Alberta again.
Now that is funny stuff!
I am from up north in Ontario, and had to take the girl down south to visit her grandparents and other family. I was in Meaford last week, then went up on the mountain for the night and around midnight there must have been 7-10 yotes howling and barking out front, went to turn the light on out front but could not see em. Wow there are a lot of yotes up there!
blasted_saber
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- Location
- A blue part of Ontario
Because MNR doesnt have the money to do it, would be my guess. Also the whole Eastern Wolf thing.
Coyotes arent to blame for the deer pops, its the two horrendous winters in a row which have ahd a devastating effect on them.
Coyotes arent to blame for the deer pops, its the two horrendous winters in a row which have ahd a devastating effect on them.
beretta boy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Orillia, Ontario
Loads of coyotes ( and no longer any meaningful population of woodchucks [groundhogs] snowshoe hare & jack rabbitts... and several fewer barn cats, city drop-offs, as well as house cats and small dogs that have gone missing ! ) where I live and no closed season ... year-round varminting, with only a Small Game license required.
Local municipalities paid bounty for years around here (as well as Livestock Claims) then stopped when it became evident that there was no reduction - in fact an increase - in coyote poulations, and no overall reduction in Livestock Loss Claims. Predator bounties werre just not an effective management tool. Years ago there was crow and magpie bounties paid out west .... they didn't work either !
Just happy to do my bit ... varmint hunting with an accurate rifle - and contributing in a small way to the conservation of other species locally. Most farmers and large acreage landowners are more than happy to have you "on board" to shoot coyotes as often as you want. Ask first ! Be careful around livestock - and close any gates you open.
Local municipalities paid bounty for years around here (as well as Livestock Claims) then stopped when it became evident that there was no reduction - in fact an increase - in coyote poulations, and no overall reduction in Livestock Loss Claims. Predator bounties werre just not an effective management tool. Years ago there was crow and magpie bounties paid out west .... they didn't work either !
Just happy to do my bit ... varmint hunting with an accurate rifle - and contributing in a small way to the conservation of other species locally. Most farmers and large acreage landowners are more than happy to have you "on board" to shoot coyotes as often as you want. Ask first ! Be careful around livestock - and close any gates you open.
Very educated answer there... dumb ass
Thought after I posted it that I should have qualified it to my little slice of paradise that has no closed season for the animal in discussion.
Nice response though buddy.
- Location
- Just West of the GTA
yes blasted saber, I agree that the drastic reduction in numbers has a lot more to do with the 2 bad winters than any increase in coyote population. I have been hunting 63 and the drastic crash in the deer herd coincided with the first bad winter we had 2 winters ago. I live over in the 80's and it looks like the herd out here is still quite large. I would guess that is because of all of the farmland out here in southern ON makes it a lot easier for them to survive than way out in the bush.
beretta boy - I just heard an interview on CBC radio with a biologist who claimed that the bounty on coyotes has no effect on the population and in some instances it actually stimulates them to reproduce more. She was saying that they breed quickly and have large litters when they have enough food. Coyotes need other coyotes to survive and this is one of the factors that leads them to breed to make sure that their numbers are strong.
It is interesting that a popular opinion on here is that (not just from this thread, but others as well) we don't have a bounty in ON because of all of the bleeding heart liberals and not because a bounty may not even work. It seems as though the bounty out west is due to the popular demand for it and not necessarily because it is actually going to work. As the coyote population naturally wanes you can bet that supporters of the bounty will claim that it worked.
And yes, I am very conscious of the fact that my opinion is not going to be a popular one on here. Flame on!
beretta boy - I just heard an interview on CBC radio with a biologist who claimed that the bounty on coyotes has no effect on the population and in some instances it actually stimulates them to reproduce more. She was saying that they breed quickly and have large litters when they have enough food. Coyotes need other coyotes to survive and this is one of the factors that leads them to breed to make sure that their numbers are strong.
It is interesting that a popular opinion on here is that (not just from this thread, but others as well) we don't have a bounty in ON because of all of the bleeding heart liberals and not because a bounty may not even work. It seems as though the bounty out west is due to the popular demand for it and not necessarily because it is actually going to work. As the coyote population naturally wanes you can bet that supporters of the bounty will claim that it worked.
And yes, I am very conscious of the fact that my opinion is not going to be a popular one on here. Flame on!
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Renfrew county or at least Horton township used to have a bounty on
wolves.
In the mid 80's my Dad had a trapper setup traps on our farm.
I was lucky enough to shoot a wolf that was one of those traps.
The trapper took the dead wolf "in" for a bounty.
I don't know why the township stopped the bounty.
wolves.
In the mid 80's my Dad had a trapper setup traps on our farm.
I was lucky enough to shoot a wolf that was one of those traps.
The trapper took the dead wolf "in" for a bounty.
I don't know why the township stopped the bounty.
2 harsh winters and the coyotes took advantage of it. Last winter we got a crap load of snow, then it would get mild for a day or two and rain then freeze right back up again, leaving a heavy ice crust on the top of the snow. Coyotes can walk right on top of it but deer punch right threw. It also made it extremely hard for deer to dig for food. I found a road kill deer last winter in january and the tops of its hooves were raw. All the hair and skin wore right off in about a 4" square. Must of been painful to walk threw snow like that. Found multiple deer kills last winter as well. one spot was very bad, doe and fawn both shredded apart laying on a heep of willows. It wasn't more then a day old where you could see the tracks of the deer trying to run threw the 3 feet of snow and coyotes walking on top of the snow taking them down. Blood trail for about 200 yards then the fawn carcass and about 50 yards deeper in the swamp the doe laid there. Both half eaten, were totally picked clean within a week. I think I counted 7 deer kills last winter, and about 15 piles of turkey feathers.
don't think the deer or turkey's staved either, they were probably weak and the coyotes just got a hold of them.
we are going full bore with the hounds this winter. Can't wait, should be a good year
don't think the deer or turkey's staved either, they were probably weak and the coyotes just got a hold of them.
we are going full bore with the hounds this winter. Can't wait, should be a good year
Yellowstone park in the US was seeded with Wolf packs from south west Alberta. They immediately started killing off all the Coyotes. According to Biologists there, this caused a tripling of the Coyote packs birth rates.
When a good winter Coyote pelt was $100-200 dollars, there were not that many to be seen without covering a lot of country. Now that they are virtually worthless, they are everywhere.
When a good winter Coyote pelt was $100-200 dollars, there were not that many to be seen without covering a lot of country. Now that they are virtually worthless, they are everywhere.
There will be a 223 and a 22-250 with a Foxpro out for the day tomorrow trying to whack em.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Why no bounty in Ontario? Pretty simple IMO.
We have wuss Liberal politicians in power right now, and even the others are too afraid of the antis. They have no backbone at all.
In roughly forty years of deer hunting in 63A up to this year I've seen only one wolf, this year I saw two.
Coyote tracks are everywhere, and I shot one during the moose hunt (in another area).
I agree that the deer deaths were caused by predation in heavy snow and ice conditions. The predator population was up as the deer population WAS up. They took advantage of the situation. Now the deer population is down, the predators will die off quickly, and we can start to build again.
In our are all we need is a small game licence to shoot Wolves and coyotes. I suggested to our guys we do that.
Check your local regs, some areas of the province require special tags to take predators. Expensive tags.
Some places you can't shoot them at all.
Check those regs!
We have wuss Liberal politicians in power right now, and even the others are too afraid of the antis. They have no backbone at all.
In roughly forty years of deer hunting in 63A up to this year I've seen only one wolf, this year I saw two.
Coyote tracks are everywhere, and I shot one during the moose hunt (in another area).
I agree that the deer deaths were caused by predation in heavy snow and ice conditions. The predator population was up as the deer population WAS up. They took advantage of the situation. Now the deer population is down, the predators will die off quickly, and we can start to build again.
In our are all we need is a small game licence to shoot Wolves and coyotes. I suggested to our guys we do that.
Check your local regs, some areas of the province require special tags to take predators. Expensive tags.
Some places you can't shoot them at all.
Check those regs!
- Location
- Squamish, BC
Why exactly?
Honest question: why do we need a bounty? As I said before, there's a year round open season on coyotes where I live. Do I need $5/head to get motivated to go out and shoot them?
I'm not sure exactly what the point is...
Honest question: why do we need a bounty? As I said before, there's a year round open season on coyotes where I live. Do I need $5/head to get motivated to go out and shoot them?
I'm not sure exactly what the point is...
- Location
- Eastern Ont.
There is an all year season for my area and many others in Ontario.
thebuckhunter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Eastern Ontario
I'm lucky enough to have 3 farmers calling on me regularly to cull yotes. It's a way to keep sharp during the "off season". If I can find time, I'll be taking out a new hunter and hopefully we'll be downing a few. It'll be a challenge for me as it will be in an area that I haven't been in several years and no scouting on my part. Good test of the calling skills.
-Jason
-Jason
