CheyTac .408 M200 Intervention?

[redman]

I too get a sense that there is a lot of "mysticism" associated with the M200, i.e. that people think it somehow has "superpowers". Even so, CheyTac's facts and figues are rather impressive when taken on their own, despite the smoke and mirrors. How 'bout debunking them and make ATRS occupy their niche!?

The fact that they have a mag fed rifle I think is irrelevant as far as accuracy goes.

I always thought that a single shot allows more leeway in terms of setting your COAL to an optimum value, which a magazine may be too short to allow, which would give your rifle a bit of an edge, no?

Are the bigger calibers less affected by COAL? I can definetely see a difference with my humble .308 when I play around with seating depth...

 

[rsp1761]

I don't recall ever seeing anything as hyped as the 408 was/is. Was it not somehow recently voted as #1 sniper rifle in the history of the world recently on a TV show??

It is marketed as a military rifle and advertising performance that under military conditions/stress would be essentially impossible is a mistake IMHO.

From a curiosity standpoint having a weekend to spend dealing with the firing of one group at 2 miles is great fun. From a tactical or even competition standpoint time will not allow the luxury of dealing with variables at such a leisurely pace.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

I don't recall ever seeing anything as hyped as the 408 was/is. Was it not somehow recently voted as #1 sniper rifle in the history of the world recently on a TV show??

It is marketed as a military rifle and advertising performance that under military conditions/stress would be essentially impossible is a mistake IMHO.

From a curiosity standpoint having a weekend to spend dealing with the firing of one group at 2 miles is great fun. From a tactical or even competition standpoint time will not allow the luxury of dealing with variables at such a leisurely pace.

Absolutely in agreement with you there.

 

[jimmym40a2]

The 50 is allot cheaper to shoot but more punishing unless you have a good can.The 375/408 is probably the king of long range.

 

[redman]

 

[2bad4u2]

The 50 is allot cheaper to shoot but more punishing unless you have a good can.The 375/408 is probably the king of long range.

Match quality .50 BMG is going to be as expensive as .408 Cheytac and arguably even harder to find (in Canada). If you're just going for pulled down components or re-manufactured ammo (available only in USA, not to Canada), then perhaps so. However, what would be the point in doing so unless all you're looking for is a bigger bang and little else to show for it?

As said countless times before, reloading is the only practical option here and component availability is the primary issue at hand.

Tell me, what source of match quality .375 bullets will you be using, and at what cost?

If your needs dictate a match quality .50 BMG or other esoteric cartridge of choice, I highly doubt ammunition costs are going to be a significant factor. No one builds or buys one of these platforms under the assumption they will be cheap to feed.

 

[jimmym40a2]

Jamison 408 and 375 bullets are about 2.5 dollars each. 50 bullets are usually not that much. Usually 2 dollars at the most. But you are right all of them are very expensive to shoot. It's not like your shooting a 223 .... LOL

 

[opti]

how come the semi-auto cheytac m200 is non restricted when the barrett 99 .416 bolt action is prohibited?

 

[john dunmore]

ih newbie yes qustar international sells them in barrie ont m200 non restricted $15000 cand

 

[2bad4u2]

how come the semi-auto cheytac m200 is non restricted when the barrett 99 .416 bolt action is prohibited?

Because the Barrett M99 is considered a variant of an already existing prohibited firearm. The type of firearm is irrelevant.

 

[opti]

you could build a half-dozen custom 408's for the retail price of one of these rifles and they would all shoot as well - likely better .

can you elaborate on this ? pm me a few forums where i can learn to build a gun like this. i need a NEW hobby

 

[Ski911]

I have several other 50 cal rifles that are owned by CGN forum members who also seem to have no problem keeping well under moa groups. Best I can think of is just over 2" at 1000 yards, pics were posted here on CGN some time back.

That is very impressive, i noticed this 3.048" @ 1000 yards and it is not as tight as your rifle.

http://longrangeshooter.com/2009/06/new-1000-yard-shooting-record/

Is that a specialized class with restrictions on caliber? Could a rifle like yours be used for that type of competition?

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

That is very impressive, i noticed this 3.048" @ 1000 yards and it is not as tight as your rifle.

http://longrangeshooter.com/2009/06/new-1000-yard-shooting-record/

Is that a specialized class with restrictions on caliber? Could a rifle like yours be used for that type of competition?

That is a "rail gun" I know little about that class of rifle or the rules that they operate under.
There are so many different rifle games.

IIRC about 2 years ago there was a new world record 1000 yard 50 cal group set by a lady at Raton NM that had a 5 shot in just ever so slightly over 2"
If I root through all of my FCSA magazine I can probably find it.
I think last year Lee Rasmussen also set some sort of record that if I recall correctly is under the 2" group, but was not recorded officially for some reason. I think that was at the Reno shoot.

 

[1000 yards]

Lee has the world record of 1.9375 shot at worlds in Raton.
There are a 17 possible records in the FCSA and Lee & Sheri have 13 of them so far.
Lee shot a grand agg. under 6 inches for the Worlds in Raton.
Sheri shot the 2.9 group in Hunter class[ prone]
Rail guns are in the Unlimited group

Mr/Mrs 1000 yards

 

[Ice-Pick]

Ric is correct with Chey tach's smoke and mirrors. Technically and legally they're telling the truth ....... but...... it's not a fair comparison. When accuracy comparisons were done for the Chey tach to get the accuracy they wanted to adverise they had to come back a bit. The longer range testing they did wasn't what they wanted to promote so they took the results from a shorter distance to brag about and then it was done with a specific scope a trained/experienced chey tack shooter and a computer system connected to the scope to do the math and corrections for him.

When it came to ballistic performance and they bragged about "better penetration than a 50 bmg" they didn't mention that during the test at 600 yds on armour the chey tack was shooting solids while the 50 as shooting ball. When they showed holed steel in pics they compared the 408 to the 50 holes as said , see look how much bigger ours is. The pics showed a large chey tack hole and a tiny one where only the penetrator from the AP went through on the 50. Hardly a fair comparison.

When I spoke to them they offered me a chance to go down there and take my 50 to shoot them both side by side on the range/course they have there.

I figured it wasn't worth the grief of trying to get a 50 cal over the border and hopefully be allowed to bring it back home. Although they did offer to find me 50 cal ammo for me before I headed down to make sure I had some. I'm not sure they'd have been so interested in my side by side testing if I'd have told them I was bringing match quality solids to feed mine with, laff.

M.

 

[redman]

Ice-Pick, I would've taken them up on that offer - seems like a once in a lifetime type thing!

 

[Ice-Pick]

Really ???!!! You would have risked losing $10,000 worth of Rifle/scope/equipment to shoot a .408 ??

M.

 

[Suputin]

The 50 is allot cheaper to shoot but more punishing unless you have a good can

Cans change the recoil impulse from what the muzzle brake does. The brakes are actually more efficient.

 

[2bad4u2]

Really ???!!! You would have risked losing $10,000 worth of Rifle/scope/equipment to shoot a .408 ??

M.

That's an inflamatory statement at best. You wouldn't lose your rifle - period. Regardless of what cartridge it was. You've obviously never taken firearms over the border, have you? If you knew the procedures involved in doing so, you would know better.

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

That's an inflamatory statement at best. You wouldn't lose your rifle - period. Regardless of what cartridge it was. You've obviously never taken firearms over the border, have you? If you knew the procedures involved in doing so, you would know better.

I know about taking a gun to the US, but have to agree with Ice on this 1. If it was ANY other caliber and NOT a rifle that may have been made in the US, no problem. Given the "terminal analitis" that some of the border guys on either side seem to have, I agree it is just not worth the risk.
I have had temporary Cdn export permits as well as Form 6s challenged at the border, and despite my being legal and correct still had to go back to the border to collect my kit once the determination was handed down.

Technically you are correct, there SHOULD NOT be an issue, however......
Having you gun "detained" while you try to prove that the rifle was legally exported from the before the export restriction, can be difficult. It is not like the CFC is going to be of any assistance by saying, "Yes this rifle was registed in 2000 so must have been here before the export ban"

Sometimes even when 1 is right, it is not worth swimming upstream