Surrounded by 870's when all you want is an 11-87.

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While checking out the shotgun exchange forum hoping to find a decently priced used 11-87 SPS with 21" rifled barrel and rifle sights I noticed allot of 870's in relation to other models and makes. So, a search was done on '870' and...wow...150 hits. Why?

Anyone handle the Winchester Model SX3 auto loader with the cantelever and rifle sights? How did you like it compared to a Remington 11-87?

Thanks in advance for your input.

Threemorewishes
 
I haven't had much time shooting either (just passing around shotguns while skeet shooting and such) but when an 11-87 (3.5") came up for grabs for a great price to me I did some research on it. Apparently it is complete garbage on every review i could find. It does only apply to the 3.5" though. The others sometimes eat O-rings quickly too.
The Sx3 is a nice light feeling autoloader. (no research done at all) Out of the two (and based on my little experience with both) I'd recommend that.
 
A bunch of reasons why pump shotguns in general are more popular than autoloaders around here.

1) Cost
2) Manual actions have no barrel length or mag limits, which is important to the multitudes who "tacticool" their shotguns.
3) More accessories and toys available for the pump guns.
4) Reliability
5) Versatility wrt to shell sizes and loads

I am sure there are more that will be pointed out, but these come to mind immediately.

Mark
 
Stoeger sells a great combo semi with both a smooth and rifled barrel for a decent price if cost is an issue. Myself, I stick with Benelli and Beretta but a new barrel is 1/2 the cost of the gun to buy after the fact.
 
mmattockx said:
A bunch of reasons why pump shotguns in general are more popular than autoloaders around here.

1) Cost
2) Manual actions have no barrel length or mag limits, which is important to the multitudes who "tacticool" their shotguns.
3) More accessories and toys available for the pump guns.
4) Reliability
5) Versatility wrt to shell sizes and loads

I am sure there are more that will be pointed out, but these come to mind immediately.
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What he said. Reliability is key for me. Worst case, I can buy another receiver for ~$150 here and drop in the needed parts on the off chance something goes wrong, and every shop I've ever been in has an 870 somewhere on the wall. I also don't like the idea of O-rings in a gun that isn't for paintball.
 
rotncore said:
What he said. Reliability is key for me. Worst case, I can buy another receiver for ~$150 here and drop in the needed parts on the off chance something goes wrong, and every shop I've ever been in has an 870 somewhere on the wall. I also don't like the idea of O-rings in a gun that isn't for paintball.
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FWIW, the o-rings seem to last as long time and are only a couple of dollars to replace. The 1100/11-87 line has been around for a looong time.

I have an 1100 and had an 11-87. Never had an o-ring fail or any other failure in either firearm. I keep a couple of o-rings in my case and replace it annually although the old one never seems to be worn. Preventative maintenance! Sort of like cleaning and lubing a gun prior to storage.
 
woolly said:
FWIW, the o-rings seem to last as long time and are only a couple of dollars to replace. The 1100/11-87 line has been around for a looong time.

I have an 1100 and had an 11-87. Never had an o-ring fail or any other failure in either firearm. I keep a couple of o-rings in my case and replace it annually although the old one never seems to be worn. Preventative maintenance! Sort of like cleaning and lubing a gun prior to storage.
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That's fine, I'm glad it hasn't been an issue for you. If it were me, Murphy would pop up at the worst time.
 
It takes less than 5 minutes to field strip and 11-87 and change the O-ring if needed be. My dad was shooting it with out the O-ring when we were hunting, he forgot to put it back in and it still cycled just fine.

I don't suggest 2 1/4 oz 3.5" loads in the SX3 I am 200 lbs and after shooting 3 for patterning, they work well, but I didn't think my shoulder liked me.
 
If you want a cheap reliable autoloader get an old browning Auto 5. They are heavy but with the rings set right they will work right everytime ;)
 
dont mossberg do a 930 combo ? i would go for that over an 11-87 ..

my reasons for this come only from duck shooting, but a buddy of mine got an 11-87 the same day i got my 930 .. the 930 was lighter, with a nicer fit and finish, and after 2 seasons of shooting ducks we both noticed the mossberg maintaining its reliability where the 11-87 was jamming on occasions.

not to mention the 930 was cheaper :D
 
i had an a-5 for years, never a problem except once while firing canadaian tire's brand x no 4 shot. it failed to feed. i kick myself in the ass for selling that gun.
 
woolly said:
FWIW, the o-rings seem to last as long time and are only a couple of dollars to replace. The 1100/11-87 line has been around for a looong time.
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I think this is the main problem with the 1100/11-87 line. It is an outdated design and has not been updated over the years. And has been surpassed by newer designs..
 
About 80% of law enforcement use the 870. It is perhaps the best seller of all time with something like 10 million sold.

You can crawl around in the mud with it and it still operates; strips and cleans easy and has a good selection of role specific modifications such as the Remington MCS. Also the pump action can be used to deploy a variety of low pressure less lethal options that do not have the power to cycle a semi. The 11-87 is a good gun too but is perhaps less versatile and more specialized. Still a very good platform though.
 
Threemorewishes said:
What are the specific features that have these guns surpass the 11-87?
Thanks
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IMO it's more a matter of function than features, all these newer guns are considerably more reliable, especially after extended shooting, they're also faster cycling, few of them have O-rings to worry about, and they're lighter to boot.
 
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