2/3 size IPSC Target

I am wondering how much anonymity Canada as a region has in IPSC?
For example, why can we not decide to allow using both types of targets in same stage on internal Canadian matches?
 
iouri said:
I am wondering how much anonymity Canada as a region has in IPSC?
For example, why can we not decide to allow using both types of targets in same stage on internal Canadian matches?
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Either we are members of IPSC, and play by a common rule book, or we are not.

As a 30+ year old growing International organization, sometimes we will not approve of changes.
 
stormbringer said:
I prefer to MAKE A STAND!!

Remember the ALAMO!!!!!!!!!
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It has been done in the past. We knew there would be know chance of voting down the adoption of the "Airsoft Rule Book" (Christ I throw up a little bit just typing that) but everyone felt so strongly against it...there was no way to let it slide.

The 2/3 target is a bit less black and white. Most agreed that the smaller target would be useful...but there was less consensus on the implementation (not allowing the use of them with full size targets)

That issue alone (the implementation) was not considered to be enough of an issue to vote against the motion.

If you cry wolf every time...eventually people stop listening.

PS...didn't all the good guys die at the Alamo ;)
 
stormbringer said:
Is/was there no method within the system to amend the motion as presented to remove the stupid/dangerous article?

I have never heard of a system in which such a mechanism did not exist.
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Freedom Ventures said:
Sure, an amendment from the floor could have been offered. It would have been defeated, but it could have been.
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Uncle Vinny alluded that it was just such a move that got the mini-popper approved for use.

The proposed ban on use of both targets in the same stage was on the agenda, and regions that couldn't attend had filled out proxy forms specifying how to vote on agenda items. The proxy votes in combination with the actual in the flesh votes meant the ban was a slam dunk.

However, the floor amendment couldn't have been on the agenda, and no proxys were in place to affect that vote. By changing "Shall Not" to "Shall", the mini poppers were approved by a slim margin of the in the flesh voters.
 
Canuck223 said:
Uncle Vinny alluded that it was just such a move that got the mini-popper approved for use.

The proposed ban on use of both targets in the same stage was on the agenda, and regions that couldn't attend had filled out proxy forms specifying how to vote on agenda items. The proxy votes in combination with the actual in the flesh votes meant the ban was a slam dunk.

However, the floor amendment couldn't have been on the agenda, and no proxys were in place to affect that vote. By changing "Shall Not" to "Shall", the mini poppers were approved by a slim margin of the in the flesh voters.
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But what you're missing is that the motion was to ban the mixing of minis and large, not to introduce the minis. Then there's the atmosphere of the meeting - at a WS with many RDs in attendance. Finally, there's who put in the amendment - USA, who carries a following. This year's GA was largely unattended; the motion was different and the Americans, who did attend, chose not to try on the amendment.
As I said, it's not exactly a simple system.
 
stormbringer said:
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you have no idea what this thread is really about......

Do us all a favour and read it again from the start.
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Maybe you have fallen off that limb:confused:; I have been following the thread,..you just don't like what I have to say. When it comes down to it.....the sport has it's rules. You either follow them, or don't. Your energy is misguided,...use it on the liberals instead of your fellow shooters.
 
Canuck223 said:
Either we are members of IPSC, and play by a common rule book, or we are not.

As a 30+ year old growing International organization, sometimes we will not approve of changes.
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That makes IPSC look like The Army to me. I'm not The Army, more like militia or something.
 
iouri said:
That makes IPSC look like The Army to me. I'm not The Army, more like militia or something.
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No, it doesn't.

So what you're saying is that every time a sports organization that we choose to be a part of (with people that we chose to make the decisions) decides to do something we don't like, we should separate and form a new, similar but different sports organization?

In that case, it's gonna be pretty lonely there in the Iorui shooting confederation, Sean's shooting league, the Stormbringer gunslingers, the Quigley glock foundation, the Slavex vampiro shooters and all those other clubs.

On the bright side, the competition will be light and we'll all take trophies home!
 
Perhaps to me Sean this is more than just a sport.

Anything to do with shooting in the world today has a political slant.

In this case it appears that the majority of IPSC members (who voted) do not have the balls to carry on the fight.

That is very disconcerting.
 
Forget it Sean...it's falling on deaf ears...

It just dawned on me that the 3 biggest complainers on GunNutz...are shooting buddies.

Natural selection at its' finest. :rolleyes:

I'm putting all 3 on ignore. Of course...one (or all three) of them will then pop up and let us all know that the "ignore" rule has to be updated...or it's not fast enough....or the code is crap...and should be changed...or bla..bla..bla..

Ah yes...the coffee smells better already

Freedom Ventures said:
No, it doesn't.

So what you're saying is that every time a sports organization that we choose to be a part of (with people that we chose to make the decisions) decides to do something we don't like, we should separate and form a new, similar but different sports organization?

In that case, it's gonna be pretty lonely there in the Iorui shooting confederation, Sean's shooting league, the Stormbringer gunslingers, the Quigley glock foundation, the Slavex vampiro shooters and all those other clubs.

On the bright side, the competition will be light and we'll all take trophies home!
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stormbringer said:
Perhaps to me Sean this is more than just a sport.

Anything to do with shooting in the world today has a political slant.

In this case it appears that the majority of IPSC members (who voted) do not have the balls to carry on the fight.

That is very disconcerting.
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If only it was that simple.
 
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