RoArm XCR Frequently Asked Questions, Where
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It would have to be locked right off the bat...I think that would get ugly quick.
Why?
I don't love, nor hate the XCR. I have seen some of its performance, and some of its limitations in a variety of conditions that the average range plinker will not encounter. There are things that I like about it, and things that should be changed rapidly IMHO.
I agree that it's a good idea. Most of the other stickies have started with a large post full of info by someone which isn't up for the XCR yet. I will second that there is lots of info on xcrforum.com, but we do need something here for this non-restricted.
I will add that I have about 1000 rounds through mine without a single problem, so my posts will have a bias until it breaks on me. I also acknowledge that is has some imperfections.
I will add that I have about 1000 rounds through mine without a single problem, so my posts will have a bias until it breaks on me. I also acknowledge that is has some imperfections.
XCR haters are just jealous they don't own an XCR.
If they had the chance to shoot an XCR they'd change their tune quick.
If they had the chance to shoot an XCR they'd change their tune quick.
The 300 rnd break in needs to go if it hasn't already. That does not make much sense to me on a service-type rifle.
The ejector should be redesigned, though this may have been done on the newer ones. I know there was a fair bit of dialog about it circa 2007. I can't tell you the number of times that thing came loose until we found a home solution.
The trigger should be polished prior to leaving the factory. The ones that I saw had unreliable functioning out of the box until they had been polished. I can see heavy, or ratchety, or unpredictable triggers, but some of the ones I have seen would not even reset out of the box.
The firing pin holes should be QA'd. For a long time, craters/punched primers were fairly common on the XCR. Not sure if they still are.
The upper/lower release lever should lock.
There are an equal number of design pluses that I would like to see on other platforms, but many of these should be caught before the rifle leaves the factory.
I believe these issues, as well as the handling of the user feedback by the manufacturer has led to some of the "haters". To me, they all seem to be fairly simple QA stage fixes at Robarm, especially given that so many of them have home solutions that the manufacturer recommends.
Once all of the required home solutions are done to a given rifle, they seem to work like a tank, but I wonder why the home solutions were not manufacturer solutions.
Bear in mind that my experience with the XCR ended in about mid 08. They may have changed some/all of the above since then.
Except that most of the so called "haters" have owned or shot the XCR.
The problem isn't the so called haters, its the "irrational lovers" that take a ones negative opinion of the XCR as a personal insult and then defend their beloved rifle as though their mother's life depends on everyone loving the XCR.
To answer some of the above, I have a model imported in the last year:
I have the new model trigger (now standard) which is not match, but to me is quite comparable to a GOOD AR trigger.
I checked all of the bolt including the ejector as recommended, but found none of them to be loose. In MY opinion the ejector design is solid (although welded in place could be a decent improvement but isn't required on MY rifle) and it seems to make sense for a multi-calibre rifle.
I agree that firing pin holes seem to be one of the common QC issues, but "sort of cratering" is normal with the XCR. I'm not sure why, but spent primers have been stated by users and ROBARM to have a common raised edge around the pin strike- although no one has reported an issue with proper function or reloading in a properly machined bolt.
I am wondering why you think the release lever should lock, I actually quite like it. Some people have posted that they would like the rifle to swing to a full 90 degrees when open, but I prefer the short space.
To add, there is a also a new single piece bolt hold open which is available, although I don't have one.
This isn't about an argument or "it's the perfect rifle" it is just my devil's advocate opinion.
I have the new model trigger (now standard) which is not match, but to me is quite comparable to a GOOD AR trigger.
I checked all of the bolt including the ejector as recommended, but found none of them to be loose. In MY opinion the ejector design is solid (although welded in place could be a decent improvement but isn't required on MY rifle) and it seems to make sense for a multi-calibre rifle.
I agree that firing pin holes seem to be one of the common QC issues, but "sort of cratering" is normal with the XCR. I'm not sure why, but spent primers have been stated by users and ROBARM to have a common raised edge around the pin strike- although no one has reported an issue with proper function or reloading in a properly machined bolt.
I am wondering why you think the release lever should lock, I actually quite like it. Some people have posted that they would like the rifle to swing to a full 90 degrees when open, but I prefer the short space.
To add, there is a also a new single piece bolt hold open which is available, although I don't have one.
This isn't about an argument or "it's the perfect rifle" it is just my devil's advocate opinion.
Except that most of the so called "haters" have owned or shot the XCR.
The problem isn't the so called haters, its the "irrational lovers" that take a ones negative opinion of the XCR as a personal insult and then defend their beloved rifle as though their mother's life depends on everyone loving the XCR.
Irrational Lovers alright but not of the XCR.
Most XCR Haters are AR 17 M-16 fanboys who can't stand the fact the technology evolves and a old design has been beaten by a newer one.
I've put over 700 rounds through my XCR without a single stovepipe and only one or to because the mag wasn't seated fully.
But yeah we do love out XCR's alright, because they're one of the best.
But don't take my word for it, check out Youtube and see for yourself.
This is where the problem starts, recreational shooters who think a range gun stacks up with a proven combat firearm design. 700 rounds is nothing. In the grand scheme of things, your rifle is unfired. Is it a good gun? Sure. Can it be improved? Yes. Is it the best rifle out there? No.
Mine died after 50 rounds. You like it, that's fine. I don't and as soon as I say that, I'm branded as a hater and get jumped on. I bring up my reason why I don't think it is better than the AR15, for example, and I am told I'm just bitter.
I mostly avoid XCR threads because anyone who posts anything negative is jumped on. Its comments like "XCR haters are just jealous they don't own an XCR" that get me. Why can't I, and others, dislike a firearm based on our experience with it? Why can't we state why we don't think it is the Holy Grail?
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I now have 6700 rounds through my personal XCR. I have cleaned it twice. I've shot it wet, freezing cold, extremely hot, and it has never hiccuped.
Saturday I was shooting with a friend and local who is over 10,000 rounds in without cleaning and no issues.
I am good friends with several police officers who carry the XCR as their duty rifle and are past 10,000 rounds. One of them is SWAT and has over 100,000 rounds through his.
John Farnam, a well reputed defensive firearms course instructor carries an XCR as his personal weapon, and would trust his life with it.
We have testing rifles in the shop long past 100,000 rounds, with the only replaced parts being expected things like recoil buffers (the plastic piece at the back of the lower) and ejectors (which the manual clearly states may need to be replaced after 30,000 rounds. These particular ones lasted longer than that by thousands.).
Were the older XCRs the best? No. But the XCRs that have been shipping for the last year or so are outstanding. Everything is better. Better triggers, better safeties, a one-piece bolt catch shaft, much better quality control. Do not compare your opinion you had of an XCR three years ago to the XCRs now. They are not the same.
Even though these threads continually pop up, I get constant PMs asking about the XCR and how soon the next shipment will be. We can't get the export permits approved fast enough. You can wave fingers at us and call us failures and sub-par, but the numbers don't lie. People love our rifle, both in Canada AND the U.S. Hell, we have had export requests from several other countries.
But what do I know? 8)
Saturday I was shooting with a friend and local who is over 10,000 rounds in without cleaning and no issues.
I am good friends with several police officers who carry the XCR as their duty rifle and are past 10,000 rounds. One of them is SWAT and has over 100,000 rounds through his.
John Farnam, a well reputed defensive firearms course instructor carries an XCR as his personal weapon, and would trust his life with it.
We have testing rifles in the shop long past 100,000 rounds, with the only replaced parts being expected things like recoil buffers (the plastic piece at the back of the lower) and ejectors (which the manual clearly states may need to be replaced after 30,000 rounds. These particular ones lasted longer than that by thousands.).
Were the older XCRs the best? No. But the XCRs that have been shipping for the last year or so are outstanding. Everything is better. Better triggers, better safeties, a one-piece bolt catch shaft, much better quality control. Do not compare your opinion you had of an XCR three years ago to the XCRs now. They are not the same.
Even though these threads continually pop up, I get constant PMs asking about the XCR and how soon the next shipment will be. We can't get the export permits approved fast enough. You can wave fingers at us and call us failures and sub-par, but the numbers don't lie. People love our rifle, both in Canada AND the U.S. Hell, we have had export requests from several other countries.
But what do I know? 8)
See, now that is information I will read and actually listen too. Rifles that are actually being used, not fired twice on a weekend. Also, mostly because you aren't blindly claiming it as the greatest rifle ever built.
Has it changed my opinion? Not really. My opinion has always been that the XCR is a decent rifle that needed some time to be refined. It looks like that is exactly what is happening.
Has it changed my opinion? Not really. My opinion has always been that the XCR is a decent rifle that needed some time to be refined. It looks like that is exactly what is happening.
