Has anyone ever heard of these? My friend just did his pal non-restricted and was looking for a reasonably priced o/u 12g. This was what he found. It's a 2.75 and 3" with changeable chokes. I think he said the chokes are interchangable with mossberg.
Condor Supreme 12g o/u
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Made in Brazil and imported first as an IGA now as a Stoeger, the Condor has been around for decades. The Supreme is a high end version, i.e., has better walnut (AA- grade vs A- grade), single-selective trigger and auto-ejectors instead of extractor.
I don't think Stoeger/IGA uses Mossberg chokes. I read some where that Winchokes fit but I haven't tried it myself so take that for what its worth. Stoeger choke tubes are available and reasonably priced.
Wild-Wild-West
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Hi there,
I see you're out in BC as well. I got my last set of chokes about a year ago from Italian Sporting goods:
http://www.italiansportinggoods.com/
They had them all in stock at the time. Otherwise, Reliable gun might have some, and if not they should be able to bring them in.
http://www.reliablegun.com/Reliable.html
The Stoeger shotguns have been around for quite a while, so chokes should not be a problem to find. I have a pair of them, and shoot them without mercy. I even shoot 4 to 5 games of trap in a row with them and they always went bang! The auto safety is a bit of a pain as both of mine are side-by-sides, but if you build a routine to switch the safety every time you close the action; it's not so bad.
I hope your friend has as good luck with his as I do with mine!
W-W-W
I see you're out in BC as well. I got my last set of chokes about a year ago from Italian Sporting goods:
http://www.italiansportinggoods.com/
They had them all in stock at the time. Otherwise, Reliable gun might have some, and if not they should be able to bring them in.
http://www.reliablegun.com/Reliable.html
The Stoeger shotguns have been around for quite a while, so chokes should not be a problem to find. I have a pair of them, and shoot them without mercy. I even shoot 4 to 5 games of trap in a row with them and they always went bang! The auto safety is a bit of a pain as both of mine are side-by-sides, but if you build a routine to switch the safety every time you close the action; it's not so bad.
I hope your friend has as good luck with his as I do with mine!
W-W-W
It sounds like you ar a coastal gunner! Trap is all he plans to do with it so it's all about practice and repitition! I am impressed with the condor. It feels good in the shoulder and seems well built for the cost, $650 out of the box. He got a full choke and an improved modified with it. He's anxious to get out and try it out. We'll see how it dances!
regards, Brad
regards, Brad
As of yesterday I have two condors. 12 and 20 gauge. I'm extremely pleased with both of them. I had a bit of a hard time finding the chokes for the 20. I managed to get them directly from stoeger, which is not an option for most people. able ammo in the states seems to have a good selection of chokes for these guns. As for the auto safety it's very easy to disconect (a little trickier with the supreme due to the selector), it can be done at home in less than 10 minutes.
I have one. Mine is the competition model, that means it is ported with an adustable cheek piece. It works just fine and fired evrything I put in it. The only downside is it is nose heavy compared to a Browning or Beretta. For the cost difference I will put up with the weight
Wild-Wild-West
Member
Hi Brad!
Nice to meet ya! Yup... I'm as far West as you can go. The Pacific is at my backyard...
I think your friend made a wise choice in his Condor. Bare in mind its not a Benelli, nor any of the other 5 digit shotguns that everyone wants you to by. However, I chose a Stoeger to see if I really liked shooting shotguns in the first place. If I didn't... It wasn't a big loss. At the worst case, I could sell it for a buck, or give it to the Mounties for scrap. (My cost effective view of life...)
Fortunately, I ended up quite enjoying the shotgun thing, and my first Stoeger purchase (a 12ga SXS coach gun) worked flawless. I have used it for over 5 years, and shot many a games of trap as well as hunted with it. To this day, it still goes "Bang" and lands the shots where I aim it. Maintenance has to this date been nil! (I guess I must be lucky; compared to the stories I hear from other people.)
I was so impressed with the Coach gun that I picked up a 20ga Uplander as my second gun. I liked it just as much and have used it for 3 years without issues. I have also considered a Condor. However, I lean towards that old SXS double barrel thing more than a modern O/U configuration. (I guess too many B&W cowboy movies when I was kid...) Also, the convenience of a double trigger allows me to quickly select the choke I need by just selecting the trigger for that tube.
-- Sorry to hear about your troubles with the 20Ga chokes SLK! Had I known, I would have sold you my spare set! I got 2 sets of all sizes when I picked up my 20Ga for about $14 a piece...
On the other hand, whether for Trap or in the field you are absolutely right about "Practice and repetition!" As a kid, I would remove all of the sights off my air rifles and pistols to learn to shoot by instinct. This has paid off in droves whether you shoot a single projectile or a shotgun. On a good day, I can easily break 20 shooting Trap with my coach gun. In my opinion, you can't beat a reliable economical first firearm to learn your trade. You can always move up from there once you find that you really enjoy the art, and come into that 6 digit salary to pay for the piece!
The IM choke should be ok for Trap. The pattern might be a bit tight for close up shots. So patterning the shotgun in advance would help. The Full choke would be better if the bird gets a little farther down range. My Coach is Mod and Cyl, and I use the M barrel for all ranges. Due to the short barrel, my Mod choke would be equivalent to something like an Improved Skeet choke.
Hope this helps. Please let us know how your friend's Condor works out! Also, let him know not to be intimidated by his initial scores. Persistance always pays off!
Ernie... W-W-W
Nice to meet ya! Yup... I'm as far West as you can go. The Pacific is at my backyard...
I think your friend made a wise choice in his Condor. Bare in mind its not a Benelli, nor any of the other 5 digit shotguns that everyone wants you to by. However, I chose a Stoeger to see if I really liked shooting shotguns in the first place. If I didn't... It wasn't a big loss. At the worst case, I could sell it for a buck, or give it to the Mounties for scrap. (My cost effective view of life...)
Fortunately, I ended up quite enjoying the shotgun thing, and my first Stoeger purchase (a 12ga SXS coach gun) worked flawless. I have used it for over 5 years, and shot many a games of trap as well as hunted with it. To this day, it still goes "Bang" and lands the shots where I aim it. Maintenance has to this date been nil! (I guess I must be lucky; compared to the stories I hear from other people.)
I was so impressed with the Coach gun that I picked up a 20ga Uplander as my second gun. I liked it just as much and have used it for 3 years without issues. I have also considered a Condor. However, I lean towards that old SXS double barrel thing more than a modern O/U configuration. (I guess too many B&W cowboy movies when I was kid...) Also, the convenience of a double trigger allows me to quickly select the choke I need by just selecting the trigger for that tube.
-- Sorry to hear about your troubles with the 20Ga chokes SLK! Had I known, I would have sold you my spare set! I got 2 sets of all sizes when I picked up my 20Ga for about $14 a piece...
On the other hand, whether for Trap or in the field you are absolutely right about "Practice and repetition!" As a kid, I would remove all of the sights off my air rifles and pistols to learn to shoot by instinct. This has paid off in droves whether you shoot a single projectile or a shotgun. On a good day, I can easily break 20 shooting Trap with my coach gun. In my opinion, you can't beat a reliable economical first firearm to learn your trade. You can always move up from there once you find that you really enjoy the art, and come into that 6 digit salary to pay for the piece!
The IM choke should be ok for Trap. The pattern might be a bit tight for close up shots. So patterning the shotgun in advance would help. The Full choke would be better if the bird gets a little farther down range. My Coach is Mod and Cyl, and I use the M barrel for all ranges. Due to the short barrel, my Mod choke would be equivalent to something like an Improved Skeet choke.
Hope this helps. Please let us know how your friend's Condor works out! Also, let him know not to be intimidated by his initial scores. Persistance always pays off!
Ernie... W-W-W
Hey Ernie, Thanks for your input. My buddy was using his ooooooold J.C. Higgens, pump with the adjustable choke. Or as I like to call it the dial a boom! I was getting tired of the thunder clap beside me all the time (much louder than normal shotguns) so I let him try my o/u Brno. He fell in love with the o/u and had to buy one for himself! With friends like me, who needs the devil on your shoulder wispering buy it!!!
He shot better with my o/u so he should get better once he gets used to his new gun!
Ya gotta look at things in a positive light, the weight of the nose helps with the tracking swing!
In all seriousness though, If you want to ballance it off do what I did.
My wife's Rem. 1100 was too long, I had to cut 2" off the stock. This made it very nose heavy. Her arms were getting tired from holding the front of the gun up. I filled the hole in the stock, the bolt that holds the stock on is in, with lead.
If you need to take the stock off you just dump the shot into a bag till you are done.
I know it sounds like I just added a bunch of weight to an existing weight problem but she can now shoot 3 rounds of trap where her arms were too tired after 1 round of trap before.
regards, Brad
