Non-res CX4?

[notbsd]

With muzzle-weighted custom barrel, scope, triger work and reloaded ammo I was getting steady under 2MOA from my one of my Cx4. Sometimes close to 1MOA but never realy 1MOA. That is one out of four I have been shooting so far. Te reast of them were anywhere from 3 to 10 MOA guns depending on how bad is the trigger.

One of the things that really changed the feel of the firearm for me, and tightened up the accuracy that extra bit, was a replacement trigger from sierrapapacx4. Plastic one had this give to it (I am sure you know what I am talking about), that the aluminum one just doesn't have. So I am very very happy with the replacement trigger that Brian sent me (as well as metal guide rod and metal hammer).

From the usability prospective, one thing that Beretta really screwed up on the CX4 is the safety. Here is to hoping that someone will come up with an after-market ambi.

 

[bear.23]

The magazines stamped "Beretta 92" were designated for the Beretta 92 pistol only and using them in your Storm if re-classified as a non-restricted long gun would constitute a violation of the Firearms Act unless they are pinned to five rounds. Make sure your magazines have no marking or are not the "Beretta 92" magazines. Just giving you a heads up on this.

You got that backwards.. Bud... If they are marked storm they need to be 5 rounds... The beretta 92 is a handgun and handguns are allowed 10 rounds.. Cx4 is a rifle and mags thusly marked can only have 5 rounds...

 

[THX1139]

Will it take PX4 mags? And doesn't it also come in 45acp?

 

[Rutger]

Are these available in .45 ACP?

 

[SCDL]

The .45 ACP version has been discontinued for quite a while.

 

[THX1139]

So what about PX4 mags?

 

[ki11ercane]

So what about PX4 mags?

The magazines cannot be marked with a pistol make or you're shooting a 10 round magazine that has to be pinned to five. It's not my rule, it's just the way it is. That's why the mags you typically see are either "no marking" or marked with CX4 Storm.

 

[mlehtovaara]

The magazines cannot be marked with a pistol make or you're shooting a 10 round magazine that has to be pinned to five. It's not my rule, it's just the way it is. That's why the mags you typically see are either "no marking" or marked with CX4 Storm.

You are wrong. If the mags are pistol mags they are manufactured for 10 rounds, and if they will fit into the gun there is nothing that says you cannot use em. if they are pistol mags they do not have to be pinned regardless of the firarm they are used in. THey only have to be pinned if they are manufactured for a rifle. Just like the AR 15 using LAR Pistol magazinzes that are 10 rounds. It is perfectly legal.

 

[Farmer Harv]

The magazines cannot be marked with a pistol make or you're shooting a 10 round magazine that has to be pinned to five. It's not my rule, it's just the way it is. That's why the mags you typically see are either "no marking" or marked with CX4 Storm.

Wrong! This is exactly backwards from the correct info (again!). Please get it right or don't post, as things are confusing enough without the wrong information being spread around.

{edit} Oops, mlehtovaara beat me to it.

 

[notbsd]

Will it take PX4 mags?

While the rest of the folks are addressing the legality of pistol mags (Hint: 10 round mags intended for use in a pistol commonly available in Canada are legal for use in your CX4), here is the scoop with PX4 mags:
CX4 carbine can take PX4 mags (as well as Beretta 92/96 mags and Cougar 8000 mags) if you use an apropriate magazine insert and mag release assembly. The kit to change a CX4 from one to another type of magazines costs ~50 USD, and takes a bit of time to to install. Parts you want are C5C620 and C89210

Here is the official Beretta chart as to what king of mags can be used in what kind of CX4 carbines, with what kind of inserts. One thing to keep in mind, is that mag inserts and mag release assemblies are commonly out of stock on BUSA web site and at Brownells. So it might be a bit of an adventure to convert the CX4 to use a different magazine then what it came with just from pure availability of parts side of things.

 

[ki11ercane]

You are wrong. If the mags are pistol mags they are manufactured for 10 rounds, and if they will fit into the gun there is nothing that says you cannot use em. if they are pistol mags they do not have to be pinned regardless of the firarm they are used in. THey only have to be pinned if they are manufactured for a rifle. Just like the AR 15 using LAR Pistol magazinzes that are 10 rounds. It is perfectly legal.

This issue has come up before here. Search is your friend. The Storm is a unique situation.

 

[Farmer Harv]

This issue has come up before here. Search is your friend. The Storm is a unique situation.

No. It. Isn't.

I'll type this very slowly and clearly:

Unpinned factory manufactured 10 round magazines originally designed and manufactured for use in a pistol ARE LEGAL to use in the CX4!


Here is the link to an analysis of the ruling on Questar's site:
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopcontent.asp?type=Mag Ruling

And here is a quote from the link that mentions the CX4 specifically:

This is the same for the Glock pistol magazines being used in an Olympic Arms AR rifle (10 round capacity), or the Beretta "pistol magazine" being used in a CX Storm at 10 round capacity, even though the nearly exact same magazine with CX Storm stamped on it can only have a 5 round capacity no matter what firearm you put it in. One is classified as a "Pistol Magazines" having a legal capacity of 10 rounds while the other is classified as a "Rifle Magazine" having a legal capacity of 5 rounds... nearly identical magazines but with two different classifications and two different legal capacities... neither of which are based on what gun they are used in, but rather what gun they were designed and manufactured for.

 

[mlehtovaara]

the storm was being sent out with 10 round pistol mags and because the mags were shipped with it they were cosidered made for the gun and had to be pinned regardless any aftermarket pistol mags were not subject to this bs.

 

[lineofsight]

the storm was being sent out with 10 round pistol mags and because the mags were shipped with it they were cosidered made for the gun and had to be pinned regardless any aftermarket pistol mags were not subject to this bs.

In a word "no." Read the regs (or do a bit more research) - nothing to do what it was shipped with - everything to do with what it was originally designed for:

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,

Originally they shipped with with "CX4 Storm" marked magazines, Stoeger replaced these for free with the same 92FS magazines (originally designed for a semi automatic handgun) that later Storms were shipped with.

But really, am now with Grizz Axxemann on this one.

 

[mlehtovaara]

I am on your side my freind. I know it is legal to use psitol mags with 10 rounds in any firearm. Thats why I said aftermarket pistol mags were not subject to this BS(meaning pinning)

 

[Urbanhuntr]

I love my non-restricted CX4. Mines in 40 caliber and can't be more fun!!!

 

[tbrwlf]

Wow that rifle almost looks better with the barrel swapped. I've always wanted one of these, but in .45 ACP, does Bits of Pieces do the barrel swap in that caliber as well ? Is there an equivalent Beretta pistol mag in .45 ACP that will fit in the Storm allowing 10 rounds ? Man that would be a lot of fun to plink with out in the bush.

The beretta Cougar 8045 was made in .45. I had one. could not s**t with it. Everyone else could. Just not me.

 

[Willieno59]

If you check the Beretta site, the cx4 was designed to use pistol mags. There is no such thing as a rifle mag for the cx4.

 

[Colin]

The mags marked "CX-4" are considered "rifle mags" for the purposes of the firearms Act. They have to be pinned to 5 rds. The mags for the pistol can be for 10rd.

 

[Outbound]

If you check the Beretta site, the cx4 was designed to use pistol mags. There is no such thing as a rifle mag for the cx4.

And so the obvious practical reality runs into the legal fiction of our gun laws... Sigh.

Let's clear this up.

It is true that the CX4 Storm was designed to use 'pistol mags' by its manufacturer. However, the CX4 is not a handgun (it is a center-fire, long arm even in it's restricted due to barrel length form). As a result, any mags made for the CX4 Storm must be pinned at 5. However, a person who purchased a 10 round pistol magazine that was made for a 'commomly available' handgun could use the 10 round hand gun mag in their CX4 Storm if that handgun mag mysteriously just happened to fit.

It is the type of firearm the mag is manufactured for that determines its maximum legal capacity under Canadian law. Admittedly, this creates some weird legal fictions, but that is how the law was written.

(yes I'm a lawyer)