Got myself Remington 700 SPS Varmint.......And have problems ( Pics added)

srt4u2nv said:
So a minority shooting group "lefties" define which rifles are good and which ones are junk now do they......lmao thats awesome.....I had my Savage predator out in the snow, freezing rain and blazing sun. I dropped it out of my tree stand and it fell off the back of my quad never skipped a beat...I'll let you know how my new Savage makes out in the snow while hunting Coyote's this year I expect I will not encounter any issues you have listed....

I like this shot "Those actions are crude junk. No thanks" your joking right? are you talking about the cheap 11 series? maybe a Stevens? cause the 16's, 14's, 12's and 10's are like butter my friend when was the last time you picked one up?....I handled roughly two dozen 700's over the last month while shopping for a new rifle and I did not cycle a single 700 action that even comes close to feeling as tight and smooth as my 12Series. If I did find one where the bolt didn't bind if wiggled slightly or it felt like it was sliding on sand paper I would have bought it!....Oh wait then there is the crap triggers the 700's come with some seem spongy full of creepy goodness others feel gritty....not crisp like the accutrigger!.....

Here's a challenge run down to your local gun shop pick up a Savage 12bvss and cycle the action and squeeze the trigger then pick up a Remington Varmint and do the same then come back here and post about your findings remember to be honest!.

Anyway we both have our opinions at least I don't have to worry about you scooping up any deals on Savages on me in the EE.....lol...
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Let's put the debate this way;

How many Savage actions do you see on the target lines, i.e. F-Class, Hunter Class et al.

A top shooter usually sports a custom or trued Rem 700 action, not a Savage.
 
The best way to prove either Savage or remington would be to have Rifle Match.

Side by side, in any weather condition in any given distance to the targets etc..etc.. Jury should be consisted of experienced users , gunsmiths and newbies too.

anyone interested?
 
Too many variables still.

You would need to have 10 exact same Savages and 10 exact same Remmys.

All same optics and loads, configs. And same operator.

Still the margin for error is too high.
 
sin said:
I guess both Ford and Chevy are total crap too...
I go with Nissan, and happy about it.:p
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If you don't like the answers, don't ask the question.

Always look at what the experienced shooters are doing. A small piece of advise that can pay big dividens.
 
The_Shooter said:
Let's put the debate this way;

How many Savage actions do you see on the target lines, i.e. F-Class, Hunter Class et al.

A top shooter usually sports a custom or trued Rem 700 action, not a Savage.
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The_Shooter said:
If you don't like the answers, don't ask the question.

Always look at what the experienced shooters are doing. A small piece of advise that can pay big dividens.
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one link looks like the top Fclass guys choose Savage

http://savagearms.com/BreakingNews08192009.htm

Have a nice day

Oh and our very one Mysticplayer who is a huge percision shooter only works with Savage I wonder why?.......
 
I have been doing a fair bit of research lately and from I can find they both make nice rifles. I myself is leaning towards a LRPV .223 wit a 1in 7 twist. I have also been looking at some of the 700 Remington nut they don't offer anything with a fast twist (which I find odd). The other thing a I like is that it seems to be cheaper to mod a savage especially in the barrel department. I believe just like everything else their will be lemons from both. I really don't see where the outright bashing is getting anyone anywhere. As for experienced shooters could it be the fact that for old guys the Remington s were they only one fit for the game and its taking awhile for the savages to get into the game?


Thanks
 
Savage is doing very well in many competitions around the world. A few 'world record/high scores' have been set by Savage in 2009. You can check out the hornday site for one such feat. You can also look up the team event for the US F class nationals and Bisley.

Didn't someone just win a big High Power match in the US using a Savage?

If you look at F class throughout the world, you will find a growing number of factory and semi custom Savages competing and doing very well.

As for growth in sales, I think Big Green is a bit envious of the gains Savage has made in the last few years.

Neither is a perfect premium rifle. BOTH can be tuned up to be competitive at the top of many shooting sports. BOTH have won and are winning various club and larger matches.

The Savage is just a whole lot less money to tweak.

As for barrel swaps, Rem's are now no more expensive to swap barrels as the Savage. I can offer barrel nuts and prechambered barrels for the Rem and Marlin XL and XS rifles.

So the ways to enjoy shooting continues to grow and actually drop in price.

I shoot and compete with Savage and Stevens because they work and I don't need to spend alot of money and time to make this happen.

YMMV.

Jerry
 
sin said:
The best way to prove either Savage or remington would be to have Rifle Match.

Side by side, in any weather condition in any given distance to the targets etc..etc.. Jury should be consisted of experienced users , gunsmiths and newbies too.

anyone interested?
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Been there done that....got the T-Shirts, my name on the trophies and a ride in the chair to prove it. :D

As a matter of fact, top 3 places in BC this year all shot Remingtons (and yes, there were Savages on the line with much more experienced shooters than myself pulling the triggers on them)...hmmmmmm

srt4u2nv said:
one link looks like the top Fclass guys choose Savage
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If I got free rifles, bullets, brass, shirts, hats, shoes, bags, etc... I'd shoot them too. One would be stupid not to.

Make no mistake though, I would bet dollars to donuts that these guys are NOT getting the "Off the shelf" rifle that you or I would find at our favorite shop (or would find there on a rare instance). I am pretty certain that since Team Savage is representing Savage (in a huge way) that Savage would make sure these guys had the best of the best that came off the line.
 
CyaN1de said:
Been there done that....got the T-Shirts, my name on the trophies and a ride in the chair to prove it. :D

As a matter of fact, top 3 places in BC this year all shot Remingtons (and yes, there were Savages on the line with much more experienced shooters than myself pulling the triggers on them)...hmmmmmm



If I got free rifles, bullets, brass, shirts, hats, shoes, bags, etc... I'd shoot them too. One would be stupid not to.

Make no mistake though, I would bet dollars to donuts that these guys are NOT getting the "Off the shelf" rifle that you or I would find at our favorite shop (or would find there on a rare instance). I am pretty certain that since Team Savage is representing Savage (in a huge way) that Savage would make sure these guys had the best of the best that came off the line.
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So now if Savages don't win every match their junk? I'm sure Savages won plenty of Fclass matches your just picking an example where Rems won the day s**t happens. Want me to find one where Savages win?, because that would mean Rem's are junk by your methods right?.....

Also you are now saying that this does not include sponsored shooters wow way to cherry pick the results as we go....The parts used in those rifes are 100% off the shelf I'm sure they are the best of said parts and are touched up by a gun smith but s**t just to make a Remington shoot as nice as a factory 12Series you need to spend the cost of another rifle on mods and gun smithing....Where are Remington's sponsored shooters?.....

Stock for stock you get more value with a savage (full stop)

Mod vs Mod Savages are cheaper and easier to work with (full stop)

Given the same budget to work with you can make a Savage into a much better long range rifle then a Remington......Crap adding a 30" match barrel to an other wise stock 12series will only set you back $400 on top of the $700 price of the 12 so $1100 for a gun you can easily take to 1000m.....On the other had you got Rem which needs a $150 trigger off the hop and the equivelent rifle is roughly $300-$400 more expensive to begin with. Then you add the Barrel $400 if you want a pre fit oh and don't forget the action work for another $150-$200 to fix up that horrible feel they have and your nearing $1000 just in mods and gunsmithing thats before you even buy the damn gun.

So please tell me where the advantages are to the Rem over the Savage for the average person who wants to start out in percision shooting?. I can't find any and I just went through this a few weeks back looking for my first percision rifle the Rems were more expensive off the hop they felt cheaper and they cost more to mod........:bangHead:
 
I believe that srt4u2nv has a bit of Remington jealousy!!! LOL. As Jerry so eloquently pointed out, you can make the Remmy into a fabulous long range rifle for a similar price to the Savage nowadays. Additionally, the Remmy has a plethora of parts available to enhance an already proven platform. Triggers? The accutrigger is crap! so needs replacement just the same as the Remington. If you are paying $400.00 more for an equivalent Remington, you are shopping in the wrong places. I own both brands. My Savage is going to get a long range test this spring, but not with the Savage barrel. It has an aftermarket trigger, and an aftermarket stock. Investment is right up where a Remington would be. Bottom line....it had better shoot with my Remingtons, or it's gone.
Regards, Eagleye.
 
jealous about what? I own a remington 700..... I just dropped nearly $2k on a percision rig including optics I could have bought any rem I liked but I didn't like any of them.

Accutrigger is a great entry trigger I have mine set very low its chrisp and breaks like glass I also have a timney on my weatherby and I would say the accutrigger is equal or better then it....no need to replace it right away like you should with the Remington trigger.
 
I'm not one to add gasoline to a fire,:stirthepot2: but... here are a couple of jpegs I just happened to find on my computer. :popCorn:

Rem.jpg
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If any of you a$$holes had any class at all then you'd know that a WInchester Model 70 is superior to either Remington or Savage... :p
 
Remingtons are hit and miss now,mostly miss though. A few years ago we bought several model 700 bdls.Remington replaced 2( one was downright dangerous) and i was so fed up with the third I simply had it rebarrelled.About a year ago I talked to a very well known gunsmith in the states and he said remington quality control is so bad now that they are almost a waiste of time to try and square. He said the old remington actions are pretty good but steer clear of the new ones.I think that is why we see almost target shooters using BAT,Nesika etc etc.If they are using a remington it is probably an older one.
 
CyaN1de said:
Been there done that....got the T-Shirts, my name on the trophies and a ride in the chair to prove it. :D

As a matter of fact, top 3 places in BC this year all shot Remingtons (and yes, there were Savages on the line with much more experienced shooters than myself pulling the triggers on them)...hmmmmmm
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If you were refering to me as a more experienced Savage shooter, you sailed right past me in 2008 for attended matches. So you are the 'old guard' now and us newbies will be gunning for ya in 2010:D.

But that would mean all the Neskia, BAT, Barnard, Stolles and of course Mausers were all crap too. Since F TR was won by a Savage at the Farky and Bisley, does that mean you need a Savage to shoot F TR?

Does it mean you need a Truflight 30cal barrel? Sure beat alot of Kriegers, and everything else.

Of course not.

You have had a great year due in large part TO GREAT SHOOTING!!!

So the brand bashing is silly. If a platform can be made to shoot reliably in the 2's and low 3's, it is more then adequate for F class to win globally. Whether the shooter is up to the task is a whole other story.

With the great work that Mick does on your Rems, they become very similar to the name brand actions listed above for lock up and repeatability.

But they will need the work done and that adds costs.

All custom BR actions are just pretuned Rems so either way the costs are there.

Maybe I am lucky but I have now built over a dozen rifles and swapped a bunch more barrels between said rifles and not done a thing to the front end of the actions. If the barrel was 1/4 min capable, the Savage or Stevens shot that well.

I have played with enough factory Rems to know, out of the box, that is not easily achieved. And you will have to spend alot more to get it fixed.

The main thing is the get a rifle and go shoot, and shoot and shoot and shoot some more. That is what will separate the top shooters. The gear is what we all blame for our less then stellar performance.

Jerry
 
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