Gov issued or personal AR for Cdn Mil.?

DATAM said:
J-man,
Since a sidearm is a last ditch close quarter personal defensive weapon, I see no problem allowing every service man/woman in providing their own.(very cheap solution too) Encourage regular training and familiarity. It would be the best option for most people. The choice of a sidearm can be a very personal preferance thing. For example, I hated the Browning HP, and found the grips and trigger pull way too big and long for my hands, However the Colt 1911 was a perfect fit. Despite that my prefered pistol (until my hand was damaged) was always a revolver. Most troops are not even allowed to carry a pistol (stupid regulation) and don't get issued with one. If it breaks, pick up another, if you have done your job right there usually a few lying around (Joke) ;-) Of course ammunition supply is always a problem, I doubt if the military will supply anything "out of the ordinary" so it can be problematic supplying various calibres. So ammo has to be regulated.

This is a hypothetical discussion, as carrying a personal choice weapon will never occur in the dictatorial bureaucratic world we live in. My heart is with the troops, I would let them have anything they wanted. Stay safe, and hope you don't need to use yours!
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Have you scene how our troops are equipped overseas right now or is this based on the 80s or 3rd hand info? Lots of troops with pistols. Your comments sound like you think there is a problem with the weapons our troops are using. It simply is not true and the success of our personnel in combat supports this. I heard lots of #####es about things in Afghanistan...our weapons were not one of them...

The item of having 100 different side arms with different parts, mags etc, demonstrates that you have little understanding how we fight, how we operate and how we sustain the troops in combat.

Seriously, the troops are doing fine. We are purchasing gear, equipment weapons and vehicles to make sure the job is done right. In years past, that was not true...but today it is. Just make sure your concerns are not stale dated...
 
cant see any unit any time allowing personel wpn's to be taken on operation. you still have to go threw a customes coming and going.
someone mentioned a ww2 vet, i asked my uncle (black watch, northern europe). he said captured wpn's were carried, pistols being the thing every one wanted. but sending them back to canada was a no no. most broke them down to parts and sent them home that way. also when the units were coming back from oversea's there were numerous kit checks right up to leaving for canada. sounds about the same as when i was in. we couldn't use or wear anything that wasn't issued. if you did have a special piece of kit that was ISSUED, better hope the officers or the rsm had the same or you wouldn't be wearing it (jungle boots come to mind). the only thing i remember we could use was the american rain gear. this was pre gortex, we still had the nylon crap.
some units were a little more lax on kit, but i doubt any would allow personel rifles to be taken any were.
i did hear from a friend, that when my old unit deployed to yugo there was talk they would be allowed to take personel pistols. that was canned.
 
frzburn said:
They won't even let us wear non CF-issued boots (well it's OK if you don't get caught, I still wear my Danners |-) ), so forget it about firearms...
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Dirty Dog said:
What unit is that? I shudder to think of them actually enforcing that rule around here.
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Looks like frzburn is stuck in Valcatraz.....

....Francos always seem to #### themselves more than anyone else. :p
 
For general usage, if you've got a rifle, you likely don't need a pistol. I'd wonder if the extra weight would even be worth it.

If they need a pistol, issue them a pistol.
I don't think any member of the CF should have to supply the tools they need.



DATAM said:
J-man,
Since a sidearm is a last ditch close quarter personal defensive weapon, I see no problem allowing every service man/woman in providing their own.(very cheap solution too) Encourage regular training and familiarity. It would be the best option for most people. The choice of a sidearm can be a very personal preferance thing. For example, I hated the Browning HP, and found the grips and trigger pull way too big and long for my hands, However the Colt 1911 was a perfect fit. Despite that my prefered pistol (until my hand was damaged) was always a revolver. Most troops are not even allowed to carry a pistol (stupid regulation) and don't get issued with one. If it breaks, pick up another, if you have done your job right there usually a few lying around (Joke) ;-) Of course ammunition supply is always a problem, I doubt if the military will supply anything "out of the ordinary" so it can be problematic supplying various calibres. So ammo has to be regulated.

This is a hypothetical discussion, as carrying a personal choice weapon will never occur in the dictatorial bureaucratic world we live in. My heart is with the troops, I would let them have anything they wanted. Stay safe, and hope you don't need to use yours!
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MrMatt said:
I don't think any member of the CF should have to supply the tools they need.
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Well I've spent more then a few thousand getting ready for tour.

Whether some of those things are more "want" then "need" is debatable but I feel it's an enviroment where I want to equip myself as best as possible and whatever makes me more comfortable or just makes me feel better to have, is worthwhile.
 
Mike_R23A said:
SARP II will be replacing both the Browning and Sig 225 in the next few years. As to what we'll get, way to early to guess beyond it will be in 9mm and likely not a single-action.
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This picture is great!

Futuristic alien suit? Check!
Vietnam era rifle? Check!
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MrMatt said:
For general usage, if you've got a rifle, you likely don't need a pistol. I'd wonder if the extra weight would even be worth it.

If they need a pistol, issue them a pistol.
I don't think any member of the CF should have to supply the tools they need.
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Wow. Lets blow the dust off that....:D

Gone are the days of pistols as an authority symbol for officers and senior NCM's. A pistol is a vital tool, and its now finally starting to getting issued as such.

Your rifle can get shot, blown up/ damaged, or just malfunction. I couldn't imagine going anywhere there without a secondary.
 
evan the cdn said:
It's from the first google hit when I searched to figure out what SARP stood for.

National Defense Industrial Association
International Infantry and Joint Services Small Arms Systems
Annual Symposium
May 2008
www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Pageau.pdf
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Ahhh, yeah that has some interesting future stuff in it alright...

But in the short term the first phase of SARP II will field a replacement pistol, shotgun, Ranger rifle, and grenade launcher. The plasma rifles and self-aware optics are part of the second phase :D
 
Tom_Swift said:
CF is look at SCAR's :D
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They were looked at awhile back during a demo.

I know a Wpns Tech who did participate in it and got to try it out. I still think the field strip process is a little retarded.

Pistol replacement is all fine and dandy but given the crates of Brownings in cosmoline in the Mtl depot....
 
Winz said:
They were looked at awhile back during a demo.

I know a Wpns Tech who did participate in it and got to try it out. I still think the field strip process is a little retarded.

Pistol replacement is all fine and dandy but given the crates of Brownings in cosmoline in the Mtl depot....
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That's a myth. The CF's stock of serviceable Brownings will be completely expended in the near future. Hence the replacement project.
 
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