#### can happen no matter what

Damn those azzholes

That is what I think too. I am thinking to myself, we are all humans, #### happens man! I will try not to point that loaded firearm at your back again.

Man I can't believe how unglued guys get. It was just an accident.

Greg
 
So what he forgot to do was to rack the slide to eject the chambered round.

I had heard a newbie's understanding of safety check before cleaning: rack the slide, and drop the mag. I had to point out to him immediately that he got the order wrong......
 
Captain Paul said:
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exactly. He f**ked up yes. It wasn;t intentional ---- its an accident.

I seen my share of phuck ups, some my own and some from other people. If you can;t admit we're all human, then get me some V3 cyborg legs if you know where to find some.


golden rule to live by

another terrible phuck up http://www.giltweasel.com/pics/DisasterDuro/
like he said, free country lol
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Pointing the firearm at himself and pressing the trigger was not an unforeseen action. What part of the fundamental four rules of firearms handling do you people not understand

ALL FIREARMS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

NEVER POINT A FIREARM AT ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON TARGET AND YOU'VE MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO FIRE

BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND BEYOND.

Which one of the four rules did this dumba$$ violate?? ALL FOUR!! The only positive outcome from this situation is that the right person was removed from the gene pool.

TDC
 
Not an accident. The rules are simple and will prevent injury or death if followed correctly.

He failed to control the muzzle direction and did not correctly prove the firearm safe.

THE VITAL FOUR ACTS OF FIREARMS SAFETY

* Assume every firearm is loaded.
* Control the muzzle direction at all times.
* Trigger finger must be kept off the trigger and out of the trigger guard.
* See that the firearm is unloaded - PROVE it safe.

PROVE

* Point the firearm in the safest available direction.
* Remove all cartridges.
* Observe the chamber.
* Verify the feeding path.
* Examine the bore.
 
If the story is true then I view it as negligence first, an accident second. Ie. an accident caused by negligence.....
 
I vote suicide, set up to look like an accident. Since <most> insurances don't pay on suicide death. The reason being is try to field strip your gun with the barrel pointed at your chest and pull the trigger, not a very natural position to perform this.
 
The "incident" (not accident) is no doubt the officer's fault. That doesn't change the fact that having to pull the trigger in order to field strip a pistol is a stupid and totally unnecessary design. There is absolutely no reason to design a gun that way other than saving a few cents on production costs (and making guns as cheaply as possible is Glock's corporate philosophy).

Here's a car analogy. Most automobile "accidents" are at least in part the driver's fault. Does that mean that cars should not be equipped with safety devices such as seat belts, air bags and crumple zones simply because accidents can be avoided if everyone was a good driver? Of course not. Humans make mistakes.
 
Accidents happen. I dropped a mag, pulled the slide back to eject the round, but the mag didn't drop completely, picking up another round - when I lowered the hammer......boom! Fortunately, the muzzle was pointed down-range at the backstop. Thats why its so important to follow ALL the rules of safety - including ACTS & PROVE.

I could see it happening as an accident - especially if the user lacks any sufficient safety training. I just can't see how one would manage removing the slide with the muzzle pointed towards you given the backward-downward release angle of the serrated release tabs on each side of the receiver. I guess noobs can always manage to do things in the most difficult manner possible. Anyways, it always "irked" me a bit, that I had to pull the trigger in order to release a Glock slide. Theres really no reason one should touch the trigger unless they're firing or dry-firing to lower the hammer.
 
promac said:
Accidents happen. I dropped a mag, pulled the slide back to eject the round, but the mag didn't drop completely, picking up another round - when I lowered the hammer......boom! Fortunately, the muzzle was pointed down-range at the backstop. Thats why its so important to follow ALL the rules of safety - including ACTS & PROVE.

I could see it happening as an accident - especially if the user lacks any sufficient safety training. I just can't see how one would manage removing the slide with the muzzle pointed towards you given the backward-downward release angle of the serrated release tabs on each side of the receiver. I guess noobs can always manage to do things in the most difficult manner possible. Anyways, it always "irked" me a bit, that I had to pull the trigger in order to release a Glock slide. Theres really no reason one should touch the trigger unless they're firing or dry-firing to lower the hammer.
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Your experience is negligence as well. You failed to clear the pistol properly which is entirely you're fault. A visual and physical examination of both the mag well and the chamber would have prevented your negligent discharge.

Pressing the trigger on Glocks for disassembly is no different than dropping the hammer on other pistols when dry firing so where's the issue? There is no need for the "hammer down" portion of showing clear at a match either.

TDC
 
promac said:
Accidents happen. I dropped a mag, pulled the slide back to eject the round, but the mag didn't drop completely, picking up another round - when I lowered the hammer......boom! Fortunately, the muzzle was pointed down-range at the backstop. Thats why its so important to follow ALL the rules of safety - including ACTS & PROVE.

I could see it happening as an accident - especially if the user lacks any sufficient safety training. I just can't see how one would manage removing the slide with the muzzle pointed towards you given the backward-downward release angle of the serrated release tabs on each side of the receiver. I guess noobs can always manage to do things in the most difficult manner possible. Anyways, it always "irked" me a bit, that I had to pull the trigger in order to release a Glock slide. Theres really no reason one should touch the trigger unless they're firing or dry-firing to lower the hammer.
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How can you consider a mag being dropped (as in no longer in the gun) if it's still in the gun?!?! a partial mag drop is hardly removing the mag from the gun and sets you up for what happenned, you were negligent and used short cuts :bangHead:

A Glock needs the trigger pulled so that the striker bar is disengaged from the striker, much like a single action were the trigger needs to be pulled to lower the hammer after the slide has been racked. If the gun is cleared properly it is just as safe as any other gun.
 
furet said:
How can you consider a mag being dropped (as in no longer in the gun) if it's still in the gun?!?! a partial mag drop is hardly removing the mag from the gun and sets you up for what happenned, you were negligent and used short cuts :bangHead:

A Glock needs the trigger pulled so that the striker bar is disengaged from the striker, much like a single action were the trigger needs to be pulled to lower the hammer after the slide has been racked. If the gun is cleared properly it is just as safe as any other gun.
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+1

Proper procedure and training eliminate dangers. I fully check my firearm 3 times every time I begin handling or unloading. Paranoid? Maybe. But I feel safer for me and the people around me.
 
There's definitely something more in this story that we have been told.

As the guys on GTalk said, when dryfiring, do you find it easier / more intuitive to point the gun away or toward you?

Think about it: you rack the slide, usually away from you or at 90 degrees. He had to turn the pistol toward him on purpose before dry firing...

I don't know, but it doesn't sound "normal". I could understand accidentally/negligently shooting your leg/foot, but your torso?

I have seen extractors repeatedly failing to extract a specific round that was chambered, that's why visual/finger chamber checks are a must.
 
forget the "rules" for a second - the little voice in my head that says "pointing that firearm at yourself would be Counter-productive"

its that same feeling in your head that - when arming a mouse trap, hold the trap on the safe side... even though you have to touch the cheese, I just don't feel comfortable holding a mouse trap on the side that goes "SNAP"

anyone else kinda feel the same way???

Knowing full well what the unhappy end of the firearm does, why point it at yourself for ANY other reason than to shoot yourself???
 
I think the fact that people like to exchange making a mistake with having an accident is a pretty scary statement of humankind.
 
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