rem 870 marine magnum

Ya the stock one is better, but don't beat the guy up too much. Other than the crappy barrel, his gun isn't TOO bad. Me? If I was going to do that to it, I would prefer the black/blued gun, but hey. I for one, really like having a pistol style fore grip at the very least, just makes shooting it easier for me, not for looks, or to be "cool". The stock gun, with a very simple fore grip and I would be a happy fellow.

True enough we are being a bit hard on that ugly clunker. :D


Just joking. I am actually happy he posted the pictures. In all reality if those modifications were done on a non marine magnum, all black 870 they would look pretty cool in the classic mall ninja zombie killing shotgun kind of way. Own one or not you have to admit some of those tactical shotguns are pretty wild looking.
 
That is a different project (read not a pump gun).....and yeah silly as well but you don't know untill you try.

I still havent worked out why you didnt use a express or a wingmaster for that build. Have you? Just like a crow and you love shiny things?
What are your "needs"? Why do you need a full lenth rail?

Gecko45 called and he wants his style back.

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Thats because your a child that doesnt know any better.

I'm 30 but thanks. I thought chasing young a$$ed hoes was the only way to cling to my rapidly fading youth:D.
I still want to know why you wanted the MM.... Why not use a wingmaster, police or an express?

Help me to understand your "needs".

What "need" does that full lenth rail serve?

Why do you want optics instead of the bead that comes on it?

Instead of calling me a child, teach me. If you have such vast knowledge on this then share, don't just call names.
 
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The Marine Mag is the same grade gun as the Police Magnum, 'cept the finish, furniture and markings.

What you refer to as a "regular 870" is probably the economy, Express model with a bead blasted blued finish that could develop surface rusts if you don't pay attention. Not to mention other economy related issues and a lesser QC.

To get back on topic here is a write up I pulled off another site on the difference between the MM and the 870P


The Express is Remington's "budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

The Wingmaster is Remington’s "Cadillac" top-of-the-line sporting gun.

The Police is a Wingmaster with a dull finish and is a much more carefully inspected and built gun.

The new "Tactical" and Marine Magnum guns are based on the Express.

How Remington lowered the Express price was to reduce hand labor to a bare minimum, and to eliminate much of the polishing and de-burring the better quality Wingmaster and Police guns get.

The Express is basically the same forged and milled steel receiver and heavy-duty internals gun the better 870's are, just in a rougher, less well finished form with plastic and MIM parts.

The Express Model has:
A plastic trigger group.
The dimples in the mag tube and the new style plastic magazine retention system, EXCEPT on the extended magazine versions, which do NOT have the dimples.
A rougher finish inside and outside, with machine marks and some burrs left.
A rougher, bead blasted blue job.
A less polished bore.
A two piece sleeved barrel. (not 100% sure about this)
Hardwood or synthetic stock, with a sporting-length fore end and pressed-in checkering.

The Defense version has 18", Cylinder bore barrel, with a bead sight.

The Marine Magnum and Tactical models have plated or polymer finishes.
Some Metal Injection Molded (MIM) parts, like the extractor.

The Wingmaster has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
A polished bore.
A chrome plated bolt.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin. and better checkering.
Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.

The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

The 870 Police has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing and is built in a special area of the plant from 100% inspected parts.
A military-grade parkerized finish.
A polished bore.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduces felt recoil by 30%.
Choices in different stocks, including Speed-feed, and others.
18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
Police options like magazine extenders, forearms with built-in lights, and sling swivels.
Heavy-duty magazine spring.
Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
Heavy-duty shell lifter spring.
Sling swivel mounts.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.

The Express is a "bottom of the line" budget gun, the Wingmaster is a "top of the line" sporting gun, the Police is the top-of-the-line in defense guns.
 
Thanks tom that is "spot on" the information I was looking for. You the man! It it too bad the marine magnum was not built off of the wingmaster line. Oh well I think I am going to pass on geting one. The price does not really justify getting basically a shiny base model.
 
police model looks like the jem of the bunch, or maybe wingmaster as well.



Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns

The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market. It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality. All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences. It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models. Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.

While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police. To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance.

Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
 
I bought an 870P off the EE last year. Got a great deal and it is a great shotgun. Nothing too fancy but it sure is a workhorse.

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I'm 30 but thanks. I thought chasing young a$$ed hoes was the only way to cling to my rapidly fading youth:D.
I still want to know why you wanted the MM.... Why not use a wingmaster, police or an express?

Help me to understand your "needs".

What "need" does that full lenth rail serve?

Why do you want optics instead of the bead that comes on it?

Instead of calling me a child, teach me. If you have such vast knowledge on this then share, don't just call names.

And why should i tell you my needs?Its none of your business what my needs are.I am done toying with you as i know you need the last word in so i will let you show your imaturity once again.:rolleyes:
 
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Ok now this is what I am talking about. I think I want the 870P now but setup with ammo holding abilities like this one.

..and thats all you "need". I'm not to sure about all the shells on the sling, but hey it's better than all the lights lasers ect.
 
I looked at a marine magnum at wholesale sports and when looking at the inside of the barrel from the open action end I could see a fair bit of rust and all the gun had done was sit on the store shelf. I have come to the conclusion they are overpriced trash.
 
Harrumph ...

My MM is hauled around this ranch almost daily ... on my back ... in a calf sled ... on a quad ... rain, snow, assorted s**t ... it's still primo ... the Cadillac of reasonable-looking firepower. There's a cheesy-but-effective $25 tru-glo sight on the front and an MEC lime-green reflective strap (for cyclists) on the stock ... to make it easier to find by a trout-river or (ugh) a fencing job.

When it was new (a few years ago) it did not cycle reliably, so I took it to a gunsmith (via Marksman in Lethbridge) and it was tweaked to perfection for like ... $30. Now I trust my life to it.

Boomer
 
Has anyone here actually spent time out on a boat and if so, did you use a Mossberg MM or 870 MM????

The stainless is not for LCF....good for shooting seals or sharks IMHO......
 
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