.270 Winchester, MOA @ 500 yards

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Hi,

I'm new to this precision rifle thing. I play mainly in the .45-70 and larger cartridges of a century or so ago. :D

I happen to own a .270 Winchester in a Browning falling block action (1885 High Wall) that I've only shot at 100m and 200m. It'll always shoot close to 1 MOA at these ranges. Not quite, but very close.

I've read up a lot recently and don't intend to start another "why is the .270 Winchester overlooked for long range", 'cause I've read a few of those already.:D

I do have there questions though.

1) Is it a reasonable goal to build a .270 Winchester in a Remington 700 that will shoot MOA @ 500 yards? (paper and steel punching)

2) Or should I just build a 7mm-08?

3) Are falling block actions pointless for precision shooting? Is there that much potential difference with a bolt action. Obviously they work for BPCR crowd @ 1000 yards, and a fair number of guys put shots into a 20" 10 ring.

thanks in advance for the enlightenment. :D

Chris.
 
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Should be very easy to make a 270 shoot MOA or less in a 700 action.With the right ammo obviously.
I would think a rolling block would make for a pretty accurate rifle but I have no practical experience to back that up.
 
Chris, there are no actions that are bad (as long as they are strong enough to get the job done). Just relative to your accuracy expectations.

If you are looking for MOA or better at LR, pretty much any decent action can be used with a quality barrel to achieve this. Nowadays, many factory rifles will have no issue doing this with a bit of TLC.

I know of 1 Ruger #1 in 6mmBR that was a honest sub 1/2 min rifle at 200yds. Saw it being shot. Alot of work went to tuning it up but it was done and it did work.

however, the owner was needing 1/4min to be competitive in his game so the rifle went on to another home.

I have owned a Savage in 270Win. Loaded with 150gr SST over H4831SC lit by a CCI BR2 primer in Win brass, it had no issues shooting MOA or better all the way out to 900yds.

No one really pays much attention to the 27cal in competition circles simply because no one makes alot of match bullets. Berger does make a great bullet which will really help the 270 shine.

There is no reason why you can't build a 1/2 min or better rifle on a Rem action using a quality match barrel. Wouldn't surprise me that if you had the work done well, you could see 1/4 min.

As to whether you should choose the 7-08 or 270, again, depends on what you want. My new hunting rifle is a 7-08. I have shot several 7RM's for target and hunting. The cal works. Lots of great high BC bullets to choose from. I had a 270 and enjoyed shooting it.

I like very LR shooting and prefer high BC bullets. This pushes me towards different cals. Why the 7-08? Why not a 6BR or 260R or 6XC or 223 or a whole bunch of other great shooting options?

Get what you like, go shoot it and enjoy.

Jerry
 
gunlaker said:
Hi,

I'm new to this precision rifle thing. I play mainly in the .45-70 and larger cartridges of a century or so ago. :D

I happen to own a .270 Winchester in a Browning falling block action (1885 High Wall) that I've only shot at 100m and 200m. It'll always shoot close to 1 MOA at these ranges. Not quite, but very close.

I've read up a lot recently and don't intend to start another "why is the .270 Winchester overlooked for long range", 'cause I've read a few of those already.:D

I do have there questions though.

1) Is it a reasonable goal to build a .270 Winchester in a Remington 700 that will shoot MOA @ 500 yards? (paper and steel punching)

2) Or should I just build a 7mm-08?

3) Are falling block actions pointless for precision shooting? Is there that much potential difference with a bolt action. Obviously they work for BPCR crowd @ 1000 yards, and a fair number of guys put shots into a 20" 10 ring.

thanks in advance for the enlightenment. :D

Chris.
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1) There is absolutly no reason why a 270 Win won't hold MOA at 500 yds with a premium barrel and components to match. Up until recently there really were not too many options as far as a match grade bullet .Now some of the guys are producing them (BERGER etc).

2) More options as far as match grade components go with the 7mm-08.
Also it is a short action (thought to be stiffer)

3) falling block rifles have the potential for sure BUT all in all it seems to be a game for bolt actions when maximum accuracy is desired.( read here lock time,one peice stocks, scope mounting off the barrel and a host of other things that would take a lot of typing. BPCR does not compare to the accuracy levels that can be achieved more readily with and more often with the smokeless variety. (I know I keep trying though!!!!)

My experiances Randy
 
270 is a great long range cartride when you comparing it to a 308 or even 6.5X55.
135grain BTHP Sierra, with 58grain of RL19 is a great combination for me that is...
 
270 win

i have nothing but good things to say about both of my 270,s i have shoot a 59 out of 60 in my last mach and a 2 inch 5 shot 500 meter group. at the match before that all with win bulk 130 gr bullets. nothing spl. about the bullets was needed. my 700 has a an match heavy barrel tubb fireing pin tubb recoil lug and a lite wight shroud and is in a bell and calson fiber glass stock and i had pgw cut 8 flutes in the barrel to reduce the wight to make class rules . o yes it has a 22 inch barrel and it has a tasco 6 to 24 on it .:D:sniper:
 
270 has the ptoential to be as good as just about any other cartridge out there. Your goal of 1MOA should be within the capabilities of any off-the-shelf hunting rifle with few if any modifications - just hand loading.

If your plans are to look at a new gun, you already know the limitations with the 270.

Here are my thoughts and remember what you paid....... buy a Remington 700 in 270 and have fun. If/when the gun fails to put a smile on your face, take off the barrel and you now have an action that can take any .473" based cartridge made... Go barrel shopping and try something else. A match barrel will convert that gun to a true precision rifle regardless of cartridge.
 
I have owned a number of 270's over the years, and cannot remember one that would not shoot moa with a load it liked. Your goal should be quite achievable. Eagleye.
 
Thanks everyone for all of the information. I'm going to continue to play with my .270 to see what accuracy I can wring out of it, but it turns out just the other day there was a nice used Rem 700 in .308 with an HS Precision stock and a 26" barrel for sale at my local gun shop :D.

I picked it up and took it to the range today. I think it'll be a great shooter once I get used to it. I shot only one 5 shot group @ 200m, there was a flyer, but the other four were grouped @ just under 0.75" wide and 1.25" high. That was with Remington match grade ammo with the 168gr Match King bullets with the rifle on sand bags front and rear. It definitely puts my high wall to shame so far :D. (and all of my other rifles truth be told :D)

Chris.
 
Very interesting thread, glad I signed up here already.

I too have a .270win- M77 MII SS that I'm trying to tighten up. Working over the trigger made a great difference! I wouldn't mind a new stock that fits me better, and even a barrel isn't out of the question.

I've got a great 130gr load, that seems pretty consistent and lethal. Now I want to work with the lighter 90gr TNTs for gophers, and get a good 110gr load developed for deer.

There's several 110gr bullets offered, and I've got the TSX, V-Max, and Accubonds to play with. IMR 3031, IMR 4350 and H 4350. Lots of Win. brass and CCI mag primers.
 
I love the 270 very impressed with it's accuracy, use it for my primary hunting rifle dropped game @ 400m with it.Hand loads will help with MOA I use 150 gr hornady SP, IMR 4350,magnum rifle primers.I want to try out berger bullets have heard good things about them.
 
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