.308 or 30.06 ?

I think it is all a matter of what gun you are going to go with. If I was getting a bolt action or pump or semi-auto I would go 30-06 all the way, except for a Savage cause their long actions are rediculously long! No reason not to go with the 30-06 in those type of actions.

However I just bought a 20 year old Browning BLR in .308 because the lever throw is way shorter than a 30-06 and the action length is nice to have shorter in a lightweight gun like that. I dont have any worries about using my Browning BLR in .308 on any big game animal in N. America. Just my .02 cents!
 
bearkilr said:
52.3 gr @2650
58 gr @ 3200

A 550 fps/20%+ gain with 5.7 gr. of powder. I think your chrony has issues.:)
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I would say so unless Santa dropped some magic 4350 down the chimney for you. 58gr of H4350 behind a 180gr would be about a grain warm in some rifles, but would probably get you around 2850ish, maybe a hair more out of some 24" tubes.
You had my heart going there guy. Everytime I shoot beside someone with handloads at the range I think "could this be the guy claiming to get 3200fps with 150gr bullets in his .270 of CGN?" and wish there was 2 feet of cement between us.
 
legi0n said:
I respectfully disagree. I've been driving 180grainers over 3200fps in 30-06. Not sure you can safely match that in 308.
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Why would you need to?

Like seriously, there is a point were you are going to be trading off a lot in meat damage for not having to walk a bit closer to your game animal. :D
 
Max-4 said:
Would a factory 180 grain load from a .308 be enough to drop a big bull moose provided I did my part?
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LOL a 243 will drop a moose if you do your part. I'd check the rate of twist or at least the accuracy of the 180s in a 308 before I went that heavy.
 
mikepos said:
LOL a 243 will drop a moose if you do your part. I'd check the rate of twist or at least the accuracy of the 180s in a 308 before I went that heavy.
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according to greenhill, you need a twist of 1/13.5 to stabilize a 180- standard for 308 is 1-12 or 1-10- ie no problem- where the 308 runs into problems is with bullets of greater than 180,the bullet ends up SITTING in the powder because you can't seat them out where they should be due to the mag length- if you're using a rifle with an 06 mag length, you have no such problem
 
mikepos said:
http://www.ammoland.com/2008/11/29/best-bullet-weight-for-your-gun/

Good info regarding bullet weights
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except that's about a mile off according to greenhill- which was the acccepted norm- as i previously stated you need a twist of 1/13.5 for a 180, and the 1/10 will take you all the way to 220 grains, which was a standard "heavy:" 06 load at one time- it also states that a 1/10 twist is good for all in 338 well, the 338 browning bar is a 1/12 and it's good only to 275 - the 300 grain smks are too much bullet for it- that's just the 2 calibers i happen to own-
 
Enjoy your 30-06! It is a great caliber. Just remember that anything you use it on will not know, care or be able to identify if that was a 308 or 30-06 that just blew a big hole through it's chest. Anything that is too big/dangerous/tough for a .308 is probably too big/dangerous/tough for a 30-06 too (I'm not sure what that would be though...maybe polar bear or grizzlies?)

Jeff
 
rhshooter said:
Enjoy your 30-06! It is a great caliber. Just remember that anything you use it on will not know, care or be able to identify if that was a 308 or 30-06 that just blew a big hole through it's chest. Anything that is too big/dangerous/tough for a .308 is probably too big/dangerous/tough for a 30-06 too (I'm not sure what that would be though...maybe polar bear or grizzlies?)

Jeff
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that's what the 338 win mag is for
 
t-star said:
except that's about a mile off according to greenhill- which was the acccepted norm- as i previously stated you need a twist of 1/13.5 for a 180, and the 1/10 will take you all the way to 220 grains, which was a standard "heavy:" 06 load at one time- it also states that a 1/10 twist is good for all in 338 well, the 338 browning bar is a 1/12 and it's good only to 275 - the 300 grain smks are too much bullet for it- that's just the 2 calibers i happen to own-
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Do you have a link for that? I'm not challenging you, I just like multiple sources. The data I posted works well for me, I have a savage 114 american classic with a 1:10 twist that likes 180gr but not 150 (limited to american eagle here though, never tried other 150gr). Also I have a 1:9 winchester model 70 carbine in 223 that shoots winchester white box 40gr HP like a shotgun but shoots moa with remington 55gr. Limited testing of course, which is why I posted the details. But the data seems to work so far for me, and I have posted it here before. I'd like to include more data, especially if it conflicts....
 
mikepos said:
Do you have a link for that? I'm not challenging you, I just like multiple sources. The data I posted works well for me, I have a savage 114 american classic with a 1:10 twist that likes 180gr but not 150 (limited to american eagle here though, never tried other 150gr). Also I have a 1:9 winchester model 70 carbine in 223 that shoots winchester white box 40gr HP like a shotgun but shoots moa with remington 55gr. Limited testing of course, which is why I posted the details. But the data seems to work so far for me, and I have posted it here before. I'd like to include more data, especially if it conflicts....
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try typing in "greenhill formula" in your search engine and you'll see multiple sources for it- i have a chart from an old guns and ammo magazine - it's a simple xy- bullet diameter vs bullet weight, with the twist as the answer-
this whole business was concluded in 1870 or so by an royal arty officer named greenhill, and works for ALL calibers- it's a general chart, so your results may and do vary- what put me wise to the bogus chart was the loading for 308- it's either got a typo or somebody doesn't know very much about 308s- the 308/180 is the second most popular loading beside the 150( b/c of all the deer hunters out there, the 150 is no 1) and that chart says you need a twist of 1/10 to stabilize a 180- well, that's simply not true- most 308s have a twist of 1/12- and i've never seen a twist of 1/8 in 308- and there's no listing for the 06/220- the fact that YOUR rifle likes a 180 instead of a 220 or something is the characteristics of the barrel itself-and your handloads- i have 4 m14s and each takes a different powder charge - well, if you look in the lyman reloader book or any of the reloading manuals, in the back there's a thing called REFERENCE SECTION- that gives you bullet drops, twist rates, and pressure curves in some cases- special mods for long range, what happens if you sub standard for magnum primers, anda whole list of other stuff- MOST PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN CRACKED THE PAGES in the REFERENCE SECTION , let alone READ it- that's how the gun magazines make their money - they do gun reviews and RE-PUBLISH certain articles and list this as NEW INFORMATION- when its there, sitting in the referance section of the loading book, just waiting for you- if you have questions, write the bullet manufacturer- i had to do that with when the 300 grain smk came out- that was a new match bullet by sierra- they came back within a day and told me b/c my twist was 1/12 and not 1/10 my browning couldn't handle a 300 and stabilise properly- and it was NOT SUITABLE FOR HUNTING-
 
mikepos said:
Do you have a link for that? I'm not challenging you, I just like multiple sources. The data I posted works well for me, I have a savage 114 american classic with a 1:10 twist that likes 180gr but not 150 (limited to american eagle here though, never tried other 150gr). Also I have a 1:9 winchester model 70 carbine in 223 that shoots winchester white box 40gr HP like a shotgun but shoots moa with remington 55gr. Limited testing of course, which is why I posted the details. But the data seems to work so far for me, and I have posted it here before. I'd like to include more data, especially if it conflicts....
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try the 62-69 grain bullets in your 1/9 - you MAY end up with sub moa- i've got an ar 1/7 which shoots 70 smks and is
 
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