Again with my 650...

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I swear, if it isn't one thing it's another. I started loading 44 mag a coupla months ago. It renewed my confidence in my 650, with which I've been having issues of one type or another since I bought it this past spring. Anyhow, on to issue #1...

I initially loaded brand new cases and the machine functioned flawlessly. Since then, I've purchased used cases from here and there thru this site. A coupla days ago, I started reloading 44 again with a mix of mostly used & all clean cases and found it increasingly difficult to pull down the loading lever. I narrowed the binding down to station 1, the decapper/resizer. The cases stick. About half of the 50 or so I attempted to reload stuck so badly I had to use two hands....utterly ridiculous.

I'm using Dillon carbide dies which have to date reloaded no more than 500 rounds. A visual check of the resizing die shows no scratches or marring.

Questions;

- are the dies covered by warranty?
- is this freakin' normal?


Issue #2 is with the station 1 locator. I somehow managed to crack one side during the same session, causing the cases to bind before sliding into place.

- this ever happen to anyone else?
- is this part covered under warranty?
- Is it possible that God Almighty is trying to make me pay for the error of my ways? :redface:
 
carbide PISTOL dies- no lube required- first thing i'd do is get on the horn to dillon-and send pictures- there's DEFINATELY something wrong with both die and press
 
Something doesn't sound right with your sizing die. Lubing the cases will reduce the sizing effort, but shouldn't be required with carbide dies.
 
Oh, so you are back from Florida eh?

I still have your primer punch remember? Let me know when I can pass by, I will have a look at your press... Again... :bigHug:
 
peter2772000 said:
I swear, if it isn't one thing it's another. I started loading 44 mag a coupla months ago. It renewed my confidence in my 650, with which I've been having issues of one type or another since I bought it this past spring. Anyhow, on to issue #1...

I initially loaded brand new cases and the machine functioned flawlessly. Since then, I've purchased used cases from here and there thru this site. A coupla days ago, I started reloading 44 again with a mix of mostly used & all clean cases and found it increasingly difficult to pull down the loading lever. I narrowed the binding down to station 1, the decapper/resizer. The cases stick. About half of the 50 or so I attempted to reload stuck so badly I had to use two hands....utterly ridiculous.

I'm using Dillon carbide dies which have to date reloaded no more than 500 rounds. A visual check of the resizing die shows no scratches or marring.

Questions;

- are the dies covered by warranty?
- is this freakin' normal?


Issue #2 is with the station 1 locator. I somehow managed to crack one side during the same session, causing the cases to bind before sliding into place.

- this ever happen to anyone else?
- is this part covered under warranty?
- Is it possible that God Almighty is trying to make me pay for the error of my ways? :redface:
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I suspect your brass is dirty or rough, causing the sticking. Brand new brass come with a very smooth finish, caused no problems.

What are you tumbling them with? If it is a very coarse medium it will leave a clean but rough finish.

For smooth trouble-free operation of a progressive press (seven Dillons, Hornady pro-jector)for twenty-five years I have always lubed my cases, from 9mm, 38 super, .38 sp, .45 acp to .45-70 and most everything in between. The difference it makes in smooth operation will surprise you.

Regarding the warranty, yes everything is covered; if you break it they will fix/replace it.

You have the best reloading machine for the money on the planet, call Dillon and explain your problem, they have a toll-free line.
 
OK, I know that carbide dies are supposed to not require any lube. However, big fat cases fired in oversized chambers are going to be a ##### to resize. Hell, 9mm in volume can be a pain to resize if it's fired from a fat chamber.

Dillon spray lube is cheap and easy to use. Take a box and cut it down to just a 3 inch lip. Fill the bottom with an even layer of brass. Hold the pump a foot over the box and spray like you'd spray paint, from one side to another using just one pump.

Let the cases dry before sizing.
 
Quigley said:
Ah yes...the cry of the people that like to swim upstream :cool:

They usually have big right arms as well.

I lube all my brass...a little goes a long way
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do you use spray lube? Of course spray lube is not too much pain but roll-lubing every case OMG THAT WOULD BE LONG.
 
i have yet to lube a pistol case, any caliber- and i use lee carbide dies- they go back to 86 and it's a left arm, not a right ,on a lee 1000 or a loadmaster- for revolvers i use a loadmaster b/c i can use the factory sizing die to force the case back to factory dimensions- and that's 44 mag- mof, the speer 11 recommends NOT using lube on carbide dies as the lube can attract "dirt and other foreign substances which can scratch both die and brass-"remember, there's only a carbide ring like a washer in a carbide die-
 
I never never lubed case with a carbide die and my Dillon has more than 100000 , yes you read right 100000 rounds through it !! The problem is probably with the brass..you purchased brass that could have been shot in an oversize chamber and expanded too much. Check the brass also for the proper headstamp...it really .44 mag ? The brass is the only thing you changed..and the 650 worked fine before... so ?????

Have you centered your sizing die when you adjusted your set up ??. You should also make sure the decapping pin is not bend now and is centered with the flash hole. Check this with good brass. If you do not know how to center your die...read the instruction or ask here.

Two use two hands on a press and then claim warranty for user abuse is definitely not honest. You break it you should BUY your parts ! Stop blaming the equipment - no matter the brand - look at the operator in front of the press in this case....(the issue is with you ...probably AGAIN !!)

Merry Chrismass anyway and if you do not like your 650... make a poor reloader happy somewhere !!! :)
 
ENCOUNTERED many years ago when we were loading commercialy, we used to purchase .38 spcl range brass in 45gal drums....Could never get enough....

Long story short, we had some brass come in, pretty clean, the minute we started running it through our preping machine we started getting stuck cases, shearing rims of the cases, you name it we had the problem....

After having put the bras aside for some time we discovered in had been shipped to us in used, "empty" drums that had contained talcum, under pressure it turns out to be one hell of a binding agent....

We ended up throwing out all our cleaning medium, several hundred pounds, washing out our very large tumblers, washing the brass, etc, etc....

It does not take much to contaminate your entire set up....

Just my experience

JOHN
 
I don't lube on 650 with .38, 9mm, and 45. Does shellholder line up true to die(not rubbing more on one side). No 45 colt cases? I occasionally had problem with 9mm which had some kind of sealant, enamel or varnish on outside-very difficult to size. Clean and oil lube ram and pivot points occasionally. good luck
 
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