Quick detach with 1X?
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Quick detachable feature would be critical in a 'contact' situation, if the optic failed, and you didn't have co-witness with your iron sights.
However, most of the time you could still see, and use, the BUIS, even with failure of the optic's batteries.
In other words, assuming co-witness, quick detachable option is not essential.
I don't know about most people, but I leave the optic in place as it's zero is dedicated to that particular unit.
However, most of the time you could still see, and use, the BUIS, even with failure of the optic's batteries.
In other words, assuming co-witness, quick detachable option is not essential.
I don't know about most people, but I leave the optic in place as it's zero is dedicated to that particular unit.
I think foxbat nailed it...if you don't have cowitness, you need detach.
But if you have cowitness, I wouldn't personally value quick detach all that much.
But if you have cowitness, I wouldn't personally value quick detach all that much.
I just mount up and leave it. But if your primary goes down in a way that you can't see through it, and you simultaneously have to continue shooting, you'll be happy to have quick detach. For example, if you shatter the glass during a year-end 3gun with big prize money on the line and no re-shoots.
It happens, it's just unlikely.
If your RDS goes down and you have no cowitness, and no QD, then what? Suddenly you have a point-shooting rifle only.
If you have cowitness, lower third or absolute or whatever, and your RDS goes down, all you have lost is the red dot. The rifle will be a little slower because you only have the irons, but you can still sight the rifle.
If you do not have cowitness but you do have QD, and your RDS goes down, you can at least yank it off pretty fast and use your irons.
If it's for nothing other than self-paced range fun, it doesn't matter...you would just pop out a screwdriver and take off the sight and go to the irons.
If there is a chance you might either compete or defend yourself with the rifle, then loss of both sighting systems could range from problematic to catastrophic.
I do have a gun with no cowitness (CZ858 with Eotech) but I would never again build up a gun with no cowitness and in a few weeks I am going to be looking to rectify the situation with the help of the good people of Northeastern Arms.
Quick disconnect maybe...instant transition to irons has got to be better though.
"I do have a gun with no cowitness (CZ858 with Eotech) but I would never again build up a gun with no cowitness and in a few weeks I am going to be looking to rectify the situation with the help of the good people of Northeastern Arms."
And that is why I went to using one of the railed gas system covers on my VZ58, with an Aimpoint Micro in it's original, non-quick disconnect mount.( You could susbstitue one of the Bushnell 'knock-off's for 1/3 the $.)
You get perfect co-witness.
I use the same set-up on my Swiss Arms CQB. My Larue quick disconnect mount placed the sight too high on the rail....so I went back to the original mount.
And that is why I went to using one of the railed gas system covers on my VZ58, with an Aimpoint Micro in it's original, non-quick disconnect mount.( You could susbstitue one of the Bushnell 'knock-off's for 1/3 the $.)
You get perfect co-witness.
I use the same set-up on my Swiss Arms CQB. My Larue quick disconnect mount placed the sight too high on the rail....so I went back to the original mount.
I get all that just fine. All I`m saying is cowitness is actually just a way to verify that your RDS is in your proper ranged position IF you remove it alot. I get the point that QD would be better if your glass broke so you could easily get it off and be back to irons.
Say you have a flip up front sight on a AR15, sight your irons in, now you mount your RDS and if you want you can cowitness your RDS with your irons. Say you remove the RDS and then mount it back on again, all you would do to verify the RDS is flip your front sight up and the dot should be where it was when you cowitnessed it.
Cowitnessing is just a reference tool if you remove the RDS alot so you dont have to rezero it all the time.
Well, that's what cowitness has to do with QD.
I wouldn't say cowitness is actually just a way to verify your RDS...that is just something you CAN do if you have both absolute cowitness and flip sights.
If you have fixed BUIS and lower 1/3 cowitness, for instance, you still have cowitness but can't do any verification.
Verification is a possibility with some BUIS setups but that is not the point of cowitness.
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If you have co-witness, then a QD mount is not really necessary.
With something like, my Benelli M4 lets say, where the iron sights are too low for ANYTHING to co-witness, then having a QR mount for my Aimpoint Micro is more of a good idea.
With something like, my Benelli M4 lets say, where the iron sights are too low for ANYTHING to co-witness, then having a QR mount for my Aimpoint Micro is more of a good idea.
Well, agree to disagree, I guess.
Just shoot the tube if the optic goes down,use the tube of the optic as an aperture sight center the front sight in the tube and carry on. No need to have it quick release at all. About the only time a QD makes sense is with magnifiers as they would come on and off regularly.
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Cowitness is defined there as being able to sight through the 1X optics with BUIS. If you happen to have exact lineup for zero verification then that's a bonus.
But then others have a different definition: "Cowitness is when both the optical reticle and the iron sights show the same POI."
Cowitness is defined there as being able to sight through the 1X optics with BUIS. If you happen to have exact lineup for zero verification then that's a bonus.
But then others have a different definition: "Cowitness is when both the optical reticle and the iron sights show the same POI."
Shoot the tube through this one.
LMFAO!
Why are we still posting about this....
Most of us seem to get it....some of us..not so much!
(Don't want to mention names for fear of offending the 'terminally dense'!)
Anyway....Merry Christmas...even to the obtuse.
Shoot the tube through this one.
There are some exceptions of course.
Run into much return fire on the 3 Gun Circuit these days?
Man this place is filling up with retards
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