Berreta is Stoeger?

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Berreta is Stoeger?

If Stoeger is a sister Co to Berreta, why not buy Stoeger?

Intrested to know if Benelli are rated for Sports shooting/Skeet?

Someone help me with advice for a good used or new 12g O/U or SxS.

I don't want to but a POS!

Thanks,

Steve
 
I have two OU both Berettas - 686 and 682 - Love them both. Tried the Winchester, Ruger and did have a Browning. Considered the Stoeger line also, but was definitely not impressed with service and information requested from through their website. Got more info through Beretta USA. I feel if you cant rely on a company to send you information on their product or other products they carry what kind of service will you recieve when there is a problem with the product. Havent seen to many SXS at the trap club - I would stick with an OU . There were two shooters with the Benelli. Looked very nice especially on doubles. One hung up his Remington 1100 and found the recovery on the second clay faster due to less recoil from the Benelli. You might also want to look at the Beretta 391. Also a very fast semi. This isnt making it easy for you is it?
 
Beretta, Benelli, Stoeger, Franchi, MDS, Sako, Tikka, Burris, Steiner and Uberti are all part of the Beretta group of companies. That does not make a Stoeger shotgun the same as a Beretta, far from it.

Benelli makes a couple of versions of their semi auto shotguns (Supersport, Legacy) which are suitable for sporting clays and skeet.

Advice on the purchase of a new or used SxS or U/O can only be given when a description of its intended use is provided, along with some personal info such as your shooting habits, physical traits (eg. you are 6'8" tall, or are left handed) and desired goals. It's kind of like saying "Someone help me with advice for a good used or new car or truck." Not enough info for anything but a guess.

No one wants to buy a POS, but even a good gun bought for the wrong purpose can be the cause of high blood pressure.


Sharptail
 
there is a big difference between an Italian made Beretta and a Turkish Stoeger... they both go bang, but the fit and finish of the Beretta is far above the Stoeger, i'm sure.
 
LOL, OK I get it!!! So in reply to Sharptail, 6'1", Right hander, Trap gun but use in the field for later. 12g O/U Price 1000-2000. Anything else I should add?
Thanks Again to all thus ar for your advice.
 
Lemonsorbie, proper trap guns are specialized things. They are heavy and a poor choice for the field. Sporting clays and skeet guns are more suited to occasional field use. These guns are built for moderate to heavy use on target ranges and typically cost a little more than a field gun.

On the other hand, you can successfully shoot sporting clays, skeet and even trap with a field gun, and given your price range and desire to own an U/O I would recommend you consider a heavy field configuration.

Given your description thus far, you will most likely be happy with a gun which weighs 7 lbs. and probably a few ounces more. It should have 2 3/4 or 3 inch chambers, not 3 1/2 inches. The barrels should be at least 28 inches long. If your intended field use is primarily for waterfowl then look for 30 inch barrels. The long barrels will not hurt you in the field and they will help you at the range. From your description I think that interchangeable choke tubes are a must.

Within your price range you will be able to find a good used Beretta, Browning, Franchi or other similar quality manufacturers field gun which meets the above outlined specifications. These guns have receivers and lockup mechanisms that will withstand reasonably heavy use at the range. This is my primary recommendation, find a good, used mid grade field or "sporting" gun from a major manufacturer.

There are new guns available in your price range. One interesting prospect is the Savage Milano, an Italian made gun (I. Rizzini) with sufficient heft for your purposes, at a relatively low price. It is of unproven quality (to me), but it should be worth a look.

In my opinion (and for a variety of reasons) the Turkish and Brazilian made guns are not well suited to intensive target shooting. Of the inexpensive U/O's I think that the Baikal is as tough as old nails and can probably be used for anything. However, the Baikal does not handle as well as the Berettas et al. That is why I recommend that you go the used, mid grade route.

Gun fit: For you, a stock with at least a 14 1/2 inch LOP will be required, likely 14 3/4 inches. Drop, cast and pitch measurements are up to you, but the goal is to find a stock that lets the gun shoot where you look, rather than you having to adapt to the gun. Try as many guns as is possible. Seek assistance wherever you can find it. Good gun fit is important, both on the range and in the field.

Buying a shotgun is supposed to be fun. Trust your instincts and ask lots of questions. Take your time and enjoy the search. I wish you well.


Sharptail
 
Lemonsorbie, proper trap guns are specialized things. They are heavy and a poor choice for the field. Sporting clays and skeet guns are more suited to occasional field use. These guns are built for moderate to heavy use on target ranges and typically cost a little more than a field gun.

On the other hand, you can successfully shoot sporting clays, skeet and even trap with a field gun, and given your price range and desire to own an U/O I would recommend you consider a heavy field configuration.

Given your description thus far, you will most likely be happy with a gun which weighs 7 lbs. and probably a few ounces more. It should have 2 3/4 or 3 inch chambers, not 3 1/2 inches. The barrels should be at least 28 inches long. If your intended field use is primarily for waterfowl then look for 30 inch barrels. The long barrels will not hurt you in the field and they will help you at the range. From your description I think that interchangeable choke tubes are a must.

Within your price range you will be able to find a good used Beretta, Browning, Franchi or other similar quality manufacturers field gun which meets the above outlined specifications. These guns have receivers and lockup mechanisms that will withstand reasonably heavy use at the range. This is my primary recommendation, find a good, used mid grade field or "sporting" gun from a major manufacturer.

There are new guns available in your price range. One interesting prospect is the Savage Milano, an Italian made gun (I. Rizzini) with sufficient heft for your purposes, at a relatively low price. It is of unproven quality (to me), but it should be worth a look.

In my opinion (and for a variety of reasons) the Turkish and Brazilian made guns are not well suited to intensive target shooting. Of the inexpensive U/O's I think that the Baikal is as tough as old nails and can probably be used for anything. However, the Baikal does not handle as well as the Berettas et al. That is why I recommend that you go the used, mid grade route.

Gun fit: For you, a stock with at least a 14 1/2 inch LOP will be required, likely 14 3/4 inches. Drop, cast and pitch measurements are up to you, but the goal is to find a stock that lets the gun shoot where you look, rather than you having to adapt to the gun. Try as many guns as is possible. Seek assistance wherever you can find it. Good gun fit is important, both on the range and in the field.

Buying a shotgun is supposed to be fun. Trust your instincts and ask lots of questions. Take your time and enjoy the search. I wish you well.


Sharptail

Thanks for the intersting reading Sharptail. I'm liking the idea of the Savage Milano!! A few months away from our club opening but anxious to get behind a shotgun and "pull, Aim, Shoot, Follow through and destroy that targert"!
 
Thanks for the intersting reading Sharptail. I'm liking the idea of the Savage Milano!! A few months away from our club opening but anxious to get behind a shotgun and "pull, Aim, Shoot, Follow through and destroy that targert"!

I thought the Milano was interesting too. The prices I have seen quoted sure seem good for an O/U. The description seems to include all the things I would be looking for in a more expensive gun too. It might be nice to have a 30" barrel, but 28" is not a bad compromise either. I guess only time and use will show how it stands up.
 
milano has a problem with firing pins . for mild use o.k. . if doing a lot of shooting wont take it . for trap you want 30 " barrels but longer better . for hunting 28" is fine .
 
SCHNEIDERSAUTO, that is an interesting observation regarding the Milano firing pins, may I ask the source of your info?

The reason I ask is that the Milano is an I. Rizzini / F.A.I.R. / Verona made gun, and while they are not perfect they have a reputation for reliability. While it is true that F.A.I.R. has built O.E.M. guns to a price point, and some of those were fairly cheaply built, the Milano appears to be built on modern tooling to standard Italian design specs.

My searches of the various shooting boards bring up nothing regarding the Milano firing pins (and people on the internet are usually quite vociferous about such defects). I would appreciate any documentation or personal experiences you have with this problem. I have no personal experience with these guns, other than handling one in the store and examining the take - apart diagrams.

The biggest design problem I see with the Milano is the ejectors - it looks like you need 3 hands to take them apart for cleaning. The stock is a little short, but nothing that the addition of a Morgan adjustable pad wouldn't cure. The gun comes with only 3 choke tubes instead of the standard 5, but additional choke tubes are available. I would like to hear from anyone who has personal experience with the Milano.


Sharptail
 
milano has a problem with firing pins . for mild use o.k. . if doing a lot of shooting wont take it . for trap you want 30 " barrels but longer better . for hunting 28" is fine .
I keep a fairly close ear to the ground when it comes to FAIR shotguns, and have never heard anything about Milanos breaking pins!
Every one that tried was a good gun, and anybody I have ever talked to has never had a problem with the Milanos.
My Premiers that I shoot have had more rounds through them than most hunting shotguns, and many heavy rounds as well, and nary a glitch.
The FAIR Premier is a lower quality gun that the milano is.
Where did you hear this, I am very interested in learning more about them breaking stuff!
Cat
 
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