270win vs 270wsm

B rampton Mike said:
Looking to buy a 270 mainly for yote shooting but possibly the odd deer, moose or caribou hunt...i'd like to know the pros and cons of the 270WIN VS the 270WSM.:nest:Brampton Mike:cool:
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270 Win
Pros:
Availability of ammo
Price of ammo
Reputation as a shooter
Variety of firearms

Cons:
none come to mind
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270 WSM:
Pros:
Shoots "slightly flatter" than 270 Win
Short action ( I guess that may be a Pro, although I've never had a problem working a long action bolt)

Cons:
Variety of ammo
Cost of ammo
Variety of firearms
 
When the wsm's came out I pored over ballistics, taking into acct the htg we do.
In my opinion the 270wsm is the only one with a tangible advantage over it's sibling.
As stated, a 270win isn't going anywhere, and is a very common and well respected calibre on it's own for good reason.
If I didn't have a 270, I'd be taking a hard look at the wsm, but only if you reload.
I'm not sure these wsm's won't become obsolete calibres.
 
The WSM will give you 200, maybe 300 fps more velocity than the standard 270 Win. In practical terms that isn't a lot, and either will certain take down animals to the size of moose without too much trouble.
 
I have a .270WSM (used to have a .270) and never found the price of ammo for hunting worth worrying about, nor availability. Every gun/hunting store I go in (even my local CDN Tire has 270WSM and 300WSM) has .270WSM. Forget about the people that say "what if you forget your ammo"...LOL. Then you could argue; don't by a gun because you might forget to take it, just borrow one at your destination. If you can remember the gun you can remember the ammo. A 270WSM is not for punching paper but I don't think a 270 is either. I use a .22, .22 mag, or a .223 for that so I can afford more range time and hunting trips.
 
WSM vs. 270 Win

I'd go with the .270 Win over the WSM. I agree with the other poster who said they will become obsolete. And, unless in a single stack magazine, the WSM are known to have feeding problems.

P.
 
I think if you have to ask you should go with the less expensive cartridge, and use the funds available to do more shooting. Flatter trajectory is usually a nonsense argument - once you get out to 300 and beyond you need a rangefinder and experience at the applicable range with your very own rifle/cartridge to make shots with certainty. I haven't got much experience at 300 and beyond, but what little I do have assures me that I won't be taking game animals out there until I've got in a lot more trigger time. (I shoot .270 Win, BTW)
 
if you have no rifle, then by a 7mm rem mag and you will not lose sleep over the other two. if you just like the 270 bore size, then pick one and go back to sleep. the extra range a 270 mag gives you is rarely needed, but it will piss you off when you do need it and don't have it.
 
Short cartridges suffer when loaded with heavy for caliber lead core bullets or when loaded with long mono-metal bullets that extend deep into the powder capacity and prevent the cartridge from achieving it's ballistic potential. This could be avoided by having a custom rifle built on a long action and have the chamber throated long so that the bullet could be seated without extending into the powder capacity of the case. But given a short action bolt gun with a factory chamber, the .270 WSM is unlikely to see it's potential recognized when loaded with a 150 gr TSX, even if ball powder is chosen as a propellant. The .270 Winchester has no such problem, and it can more often than not match the published velocity in the loading manuals with any bullet weight up to 180 grs. unless the barrel is very short. The .270 WSM when loaded with heavy/long bullets will match .270 Winchester velocities, but that is not why you bought it. A better idea might be to just go with a 7mm magnum if you want a high velocity small bore, or perhaps a 7 mm Remington case necked down slightly to .270 if you are convinced it makes a difference.
 
The OP is in Ontario where many southern counties and regions have calibre restrictions for small game hunting which includes coyotes. The 7mm is too large but the .270 isn't.

I've looked at the .270WSM but haven't seen enough reason to abandon the .270 Winchester.
 
Hank Hunter said:
Take a look at the sales figures for the 270/300wsm's. I dont think they will disappear anytime soon
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I certainly agree with that. And I think that both, especially the .270WSM is establishing a strong foothold in the market place.

I have owned a standard .270 and now have a .270WSM. In all honesty, I can't say that one is more inherently accurate nor has better terminal performance on game than the other. I reload, availability is not an issue, nor do I think that it would be for non-reloaders as even our tiny little sporting goods store here in HR sells WSM ammo. I simply wanted a WSM because it was new. Now, it has grown on me and that gun is a keeper. I also have never, ever experienced any of the feeding issues that have been reported either. Bottom line is, I wouldn't recommend one over the other, I'd say it's whatever floats your boat. I think you'll be pleased either way.
 
B rampton Mike said:
I did and nothing came up so if you can't contribute then keep your nose out of this thread!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Dont waste your time with that guy..most negative guy on the site, never has a positive thing to say.

On that note I would take the 270 wsm, shoots flatter, and is a cool little cartridge. I hunted deer with it for about 3 years and have since gone to the 30 cal.

Cheers!!
 
Claybuster said:
The OP is in Ontario where many southern counties and regions have calibre restrictions for small game hunting which includes coyotes. The 7mm is too large but the .270 isn't.

I've looked at the .270WSM but haven't seen enough reason to abandon the .270 Winchester.
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Don't mean to hijack, but I could never understand the reasoning behind that. For example, a .444 Marlin which is relatively slow compared to a any .270 would be deemed illegal. But yet, it won't travel as far and it's ricochet is less likely to travel as far as that of the .270. A .284 bullet is not acceptable, but a .277 bullet is (.007") difference. Or is this strictly a "small game" restriction, and what do they define as small game? Again, don't meant to hijack, the OP can tell me to shup-up and I won't be offended. :)
 
I don't think the WSM offers any practical benefits over the Win version - ballistically speaking. It does however come in the Remington Model Seven, so if you must have that rifle you are stuck with the WSM.

When I loaded for the .270 Win my loads approached 3200fps with a 130gr TSX and 3100fps with a 140gr Hornady. This was with a Remington Mountain Rifle with a 22" barrel. That is plenty flat shooting for just about any hunting.
 
Boomer said:
Short cartridges suffer when loaded with heavy for caliber lead core bullets or when loaded with long mono-metal bullets that extend deep into the powder capacity and prevent the cartridge from achieving it's ballistic potential. This could be avoided by having a custom rifle built on a long action and have the chamber throated long so that the bullet could be seated without extending into the powder capacity of the case. But given a short action bolt gun with a factory chamber, the .270 WSM is unlikely to see it's potential recognized when loaded with a 150 gr TSX, even if ball powder is chosen as a propellant. QUOTE]

A 150 gr bullet displaces exactly the same amount of volume in either case. If the bullet is seated to the canalure in both cases it is using up the same amount of case capacity in either case. Does the powder column being beside the bullet have much to do with the velocity produced?
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