Accuracy guarantee

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Has anyone actually followed through with these "gimmicks" and got a new rifle out of the deal? I find it hard to believe a company would follow through, especially Beretta on the Sako's and Tikka's. There are so many variables that the company could say is your own fault in not achieving the stated "guarantee
wind, ammo, not proper shooting technique ect...
I could be wrong but I have never heard of anyone sending a rifle back?? Has anyone acutually done it on here??

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The main thing on those guarantees is piece of mind if you happen to get a real stinker. Those guns that the best you can do is +3" groups at 100 yards at least you have somthing to fall back on. Also the gun has been fired at the factory and it passed the guarantee. That does count for something.

1 MOA for 3 shots at 100 yards is pretty doable for a decent shooter and reloader and I don't believe it to be a gimmick. However I am sure that someone, some where has been to blame for bad accuracy and sent a good rifle back.

I know that if I were to personally build rifles that shoot .5 MOA for five shots I would not garuntee it. How do I know that the customer can reload and shoot .5 MOA? So ya I do see your point.
 
I got test targets with the 2 CZs I bought and both are 3 shots pretty much touching. Wonder if they would warranty too? Hmmm. Never got a bad one though. Of course they could always cheat and put the gun at 25yds to get that.
 
I sent back a Cooper because it was throwing some fliers that opened some groups up to around 1" at 100 yards.Clay at Prophet river looked after getting it to Cooper and back,and they rebedded and test fired the gun before sending it back to me.A Cooper tech actually called me at home to talk with me before they worked on the gun.
 
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I sent back a Cooper because it was throwing some fliers that opened some groups up to around 1" at 100 yards.Clay at Prophet river looked after getting it to Cooper and back,and they rebedded and test fired the gun before sending it back to me.A Cooper tech actually called me at home to talk with me before they worked on the gun.
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Really? That's pretty amazing service. Did that fix things? What rifle and caliber was it?
 
stubblejumper said:
I sent back a Cooper because it was throwing some fliers that opened some groups up to around 1" at 100 yards.Clay at Prophet river looked after getting it to Cooper and back,and they rebedded and test fired the gun before sending it back to me.A Cooper tech actually called me at home to talk with me before they worked on the gun.
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I think you're the first I ever have heard doing that. Cooper sounds like a good company.
 
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My T/C Icon in .300 Win. Mag. was advertised as < 1 MOA out of the box.

I will print < 3/4" 3-shot groups @ 100 yards all day long with Winchester factory ammo pushing 180 grain XP3s.

I have a Bushnell 2.5-16x40 perched on top of it so it ain't light & not a gun for luggin through the tag alders............a great gun for hunting moose from tree stands in the huge clear cuts of Northern Ontario where 400+ yard shots are not uncommon.
 
I don't see how you would get a "new" gun out of it. If your new Tikka, for example doesn't shoot well, you send it back, they shoot it and tell you to fly a kite (if it's your shooting that's the problem) or they send you a different gun if's not. You just bought the gun new, remember. This does not apply to a well used beater. This is an "out of the box" guarantee. So you may have a different gun but you're out shipping. Am I missing something?
 
I think you're the first I ever have heard doing that. Cooper sounds like a good company.
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To give everyone a better idea of how things happened,I will give a short summary.I was speaking with Clay and mentioned that the gun was shooting some great groups,but it was throwing the odd flier every few groups,with all loads that I tested.He contacted the tech guy at Cooper,who then called me to discuss the problem.He made suggestions as to things to try to eliminate the fliers,but nothing changed.We talked again,and then he suggested that I send the gun back for warranty work.I sent the gun to Clay,who handled everything from that point on.He did ask me if I wanted to wait until after hunting season,since with the border issues,the gun might not be back in time for our season opener.I decided to send the gun and take my chances with it getting back in time.The gun was delayed,and Clay lent me a brand new Excalibur in 280AI to hunt with until my gun arrived.When I commented on the accuracy of the rifle,he offered to sell it to me at a great deal,which I accepted.My Jackson Hunter arrived just as our season ended,so it will sit until next spring.

At no time did anyone suggest that my shooting or my loads were the reason for the accuracy issues.I did forward some of the initial groups to Clay and it was accepted that the gun was at fault.Both Clay and Cooper displayed first class customer service in dealing with the issue.

I will mention,that even with the fliers,the groups that I was shooting would still meet any Weatherby,Tikka,or Sako accuracy guarantee,but Cooper offers an even better guarantee than those companies,and the gun would not consistently meet the Cooper standard of three shots in 1/2" at 100 yards.
 
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I know of a Sako 75 that was taken care of. I believe it was a Hunter model in 338 WM. Terrible shooter, and the guy who bought it and shot it was a great shooter; we new him well. The shop I was working at sent it back to Stoeger, and about six months later he received a new rifle that shot better. The wait was frustrating for him understandably.
 
ammo used...

sunray said:
There's usually a proviso in the written guarantee about the ammo used.
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When I bought my Wby Vanguard in 30:06 the target was shot with 150grn sst.
and was well under the 1-1/2'' guarantee. This was not a sub-moa one either, plain jane , blk plastic stock and blued barrel.
I then shot 165 grn.Rem. Cor Loks and shot a very close grouping as well.
The only difference was they where lower than the factory shot target.
Soon corrected that situation as well.
Was I happy , did I send it back ???
Lets just say I am one happy camper.
Rob
 
I have read somewhere that guys have sent Thompson barrels back because they wouldn't group well. Sounded pretty hard to believe, but... who knows. Although it doesn't sound like this is a common problem, with any gun.

I'd like to think that this would be true if you got a real stinker out of the box.
 
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