8 inch Grizzly

[pricedo]

The FRT boys pulled 16" out of their asses. They told me is was based on the US rules (for rifles!). No court has ruled on the subject, and since the gun is designed and intended to be fired with 2 hands, they are on thin ice. But, but placing those words in the FRT, it advances their agenda.

The FRT boys pulled 16" out of their asses.

16" is the minimum threshold barrel length under US federal law (Gun Control Act of 1968) to place a shotgun in the sort-barreled-shotgun category which must be registered & licensed as a NFA (not the Canadian shooting org) gun.

There is no such law currently in force in Canada as the 8.5" & 12.5" Dlasks & Grizzly's would all fall into that category.

I'm sure the next socialist federal government will issue an OIC & amend the Firearms Act / Canada Criminal Code & plug that loophole in short order at the request of the RCMP & the short barreled shotguns will become the new 12(8) prohibited category likely WITHOUT GRANDFATHERING RIGHTS & be confiscated.

The < 26" overall length is what brings the Dlasks & Grizzly's with the pistol grip into the restricted/prohibited (yet to be determined by a court test case) critical zone.

The Mounties used their "legislative" powers to prohibit & block the importation of the "black" T-97 or whatever it was that was advertised on the CanAm website a year or two ago & it would be foolhardy indeed to assume that the short barreled shotguns haven't peaked the interest of a few Mountie "big wigs" in the air conditioned, leather chaired, mahogany desked offices on 1200 Vanier Drive in Ottawa.

Without a doubt someone (the self appointed canary in the coal mine) will get caught walking around in the bush "pushing the envelope" with a pistol gripped 8.5" or 12.5" bbl. Dlask or Grizzly of < 26" OAL & the authorities will "do a Montague" on him to put the fear of God in the rest of us........it had better be someone with a lot bigger bank account than mine.

 

[Wildbore]

16" is the minimum threshold barrel length under US federal law (Gun Control Act of 1968) to place a shotgun in the sort-barreled-shotgun category which must be registered & licensed as a NFA (not the Canadian shooting org) gun.

I think 18" is the mark for short barreled shotguns in the USA. 16" is for short barreled rifles.

I have always thought that this FRT note on the Rem 870 "may" being a handgun was all amateurish, as a Rem 870 with pistol grip and sub 16" barrel is still a firearm designed to be fired and operated with two hands.

I generally think that since the RCMP has deemed that adding of a < 18" factory manufactured barrel does not make a prohibited firearm, that by extension, the switching of factory manufactured stocks to make the firearm < 26" would not make it prohibited. Also, I believe there is an infamous letter saying that the RCMP did not consider the removal of a full stock and replacement with a pistol grip stock to be by "folding, telescoping, or otherwise," and thus a legal way to shorten the gun without making it restricted.

In addition to making a 12.8 prohibited category, the government might opt to make any shotgun barrel under 18" a prohibited device, similar to what they have done to short pistol barrels.

 

[Canuck223]

Also, I believe there is an infamous letter saying that the RCMP did not consider the removal of a full stock and replacement with a pistol grip stock to be by "folding, telescoping, or otherwise," and thus a legal way to shorten the gun without making it restricted.

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The letter in question was not about if those changes would make the firearm restricted, but if those changes would result in a firearm prohibited by definition.

The letter outlined that the resulting firearm made from all commercially sourced parts and not equiped with a folding stock would remain non-restricted.

Never ones to admit to any type of mistake, the RCMP later questioned if the resulting firearm met the definition of handgun.

 

[pricedo]

I think 18" is the mark for short barreled shotguns in the USA. 16" is for short barreled rifles.

I have always thought that this FRT note on the Rem 870 "may" being a handgun was all amateurish, as a Rem 870 with pistol grip and sub 16" barrel is still a firearm designed to be fired and operated with two hands.

I generally think that since the RCMP has deemed that adding of a < 18" factory manufactured barrel does not make a prohibited firearm, that by extension, the switching of factory manufactured stocks to make the firearm < 26" would not make it prohibited. Also, I believe there is an infamous letter saying that the RCMP did not consider the removal of a full stock and replacement with a pistol grip stock to be by "folding, telescoping, or otherwise," and thus a legal way to shorten the gun without making it restricted.

Instead of making a 12.8 prohibited category, the government might opt to make any shotgun barrel under 18" a prohibited device. I think thats what the government originally intended, but somehow they wrote it to only apply to sawed or cut barrels.

I think 18" is the mark for short barreled shotguns in the USA. 16" is for short barreled rifles.

16", 18", the length of a Clydesdale's you know what...........the fact remains outstanding that it still isn't Canadian law.

Instead of making a 12.8 prohibited category, the government might opt to make any shotgun barrel under 18" a prohibited device. I think thats what the government originally intended, but somehow they wrote it to only apply to sawed or cut barrels.

We'll see.

The entrenched Liberal RCMP/CFC/CFO bureaucrats reach into their bag of dirty tricks & come up with new sticklers & obstacles for us every day.........some are old favorites & some are new ones........you'd almost think there was a surreptitious 5th. column Liberal Conspiracy going on.

Let's hope we're a lot older when the Parliamentary Mace once again points in the direction of the socialist benches.

I've sent Harper, Baird & Raitt each a roll of Duct Tape to be applied a month before the election to increase the chances of a CPC majority mandate next time around.

I've heard the resident CGN CPC bagman / horn blower talk the talk at every opportunity & I'd love to measure the length of the CPC stride if they win a majority mandate & a golden opportunity to walk the walk.

 

[Wildbore]

The entrenched Liberal RCMP/CFC/CFO bureaucrats reach into their bag of dirty tricks & come up with new sticklers & obstacles for us every day.........some are old favorites & some are new ones........you'd almost think there was a surreptitious 5th. column Liberal Conspiracy going on.

Don't worry, I currently have a few gun loving friends joining the OPP and RCMP with the sole intent to penetrate the Ontario CFO's office and RCMP firearms control bureaucracy.

If we had help from more like-minded people, we can stack all these positions and more (deputy and associate deputy ministers) with pro-gun individuals within the next 20 years.