End User issues with Short Barrels etc. (split)

[ian_in_vic]

And with a recent change in Canadian law end with the agency.
There is no more selling of any agencies firearms to the public

I wonder if this will affect the sale of uppers - technically not a firearm, and one of the few things that many departments could use to recoup some of the costs, now that sidearms are out.

 

[Koshy]

The way things are going with the god damn "reasonable accomodation" here is Kebeckistan, I'm about to start a religion where the FA ar-15 shorty is a religious symbol that must be carried at all time.... Think we could get that one pass the idiots of parlement. we could call it : The churth of reason.

Well I guess it's about time I hit the lathe and start cutting the 16 incher's down a bit

If a Country put the AK-47 on their flag, why couldn't your Country/Religion put an AR-15 on its?

Thanks,
- Koshy

 

[recce]

Mark,
Thanks for the info. Bit of an odd question maybe. Would someone be expected to go through the hoops if leaving a firearm to a child when the registered owner dies?

Thanks

There is a slight bit more to this than is being stated...

In order to apply for the DSP-5 from US State Department the exporter must supply a Purchase Order from the Agency/Department buying the goods, a DSP-83 End-User statement signed by the Agency/Department certifying they are the final end-user and that they will not re-sell, tranship or otherwise dispose of the items without first obtaining approval from US State Department and lastly an IIC (International Import Certificate) from DFAIT in Ottawa wherein the Agency/Department is listed as the End-User and states that the goods are for Police/Government use as opposed to "personal use" or "commercial resale" which are the other typical options for items being imported for civilian market.

If the documents are falsified, it isn't just a "US issue" in respect of the DSP-83, it's also a matter of falsifying the department Purchase Order and the IIC application to Ottawa. This can result in serious charges right here in Canada.

There doesn't seem to be much "issue" with a department that legitimately buys firearms for their own use, uses them for a number of years and then trades them in on replacement kit. Technically they would still need US State Department approval to dispose of the items but I've not heard of State making a big issue over this in legitimate cases.

But falsely issuing these documents with the up front, clear intention of turning around right away and selling/trading the merchandise is definitely a serious offense in both the US and Canada. It's fraud.

Mark

 

[Questar]

Mark,
Thanks for the info. Bit of an odd question maybe. Would someone be expected to go through the hoops if leaving a firearm to a child when the registered owner dies?

Thanks

The regulations don't make any allowance for what you describe... other than the US does allow a "one time exemption" from the "registration" requirement for exporters. An export permit is still required but the application can be made (one time only) by an individual, for that type of situation you describe, without the applicant being first required to register as an export (and without having to pay the registration fees which run over $2,000 USD).

Other than that there are no allowances.

Mark

 

[GUNMANSHIP]

The way things are going with the god damn "reasonable accomodation" here is Kebeckistan, I'm about to start a religion where the FA ar-15 shorty is a religious symbol that must be carried at all time.... Think we could get that one pass the idiots of parlement. we could call it : The churth of reason.

When does this church open?

 

[can14]

The US Government has restrictions on all firearms, parts and accessories that were sent as military aid. They want to be informed by any government agency that received this aid about any surplus sales they want to make. Governments that paid for US guns don't have the same restriction. Israel was allowed to sell some of the m14's and m16's to make some money. Then the US Government said no. All of the m14/m16 "stuff" now is in a warehouse gathering dust. All of the guns that Israel captured in the past was used by them and then sold by them without US restrictions. AID monies is the only power the US has to make the rules. If a country doesn't take aid, there is nothing they can do about it. The US Navy "took" a ship from Vietnam with US surplus military equipment bound for New Zealand Armed Force use. It created issues.