Short T/C Encore/Pro Hunter barrels available in Canada?

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15" .308 barrel, sells for about $300 in the US.
are these available in Canada?
 
Yes they do exist. Or at least they exist that long in 45/70 they are a Pistol barrel. When Attached to a rifle Frame they are just Barely Non-Restricted Good luck finding one though. Hard to find and never parted with.
 
Funny I just phoned Epps about that a half hour ago and then saw this thread. One of the guys at Epps used to own an Encore or Contender rifle in a 7mm cat I believe. Not sure if it was the 12" or 15". That's why I phoned Epps but he wasn't there today.

However, they said it's OK as a non-restricted registration if it comes from the factory and as long as overall length is kept over the 26" OAL limit (660mm). By measuring my new TC Encore Katahdin rifle with it's factory composite buttstock, a 15" barrel as above nets you are 29" OAL - which is actually 3" over the legal requirements. A 12" barrel appears legal too at a hair over 26" if measured angle wise straight across from muzzle to toe of butt pad. Lose the pad and it wouldn't be legal.

They told me that with 12" and longer there are usually no hiccups getting it as a non-restricted. They can order them from TC and were willing to quote me. Takes quite a while for them to actually arrive they said. How long that would be I don't know.

I'm thinking on the 15" 45Colt/410 barrel. Also need a pistol fore end or make/modify one.

Regards
 
I have that barrel in 460 S&W for my Encore
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Cool - lotsa thump with that in a small package.

Was it added to your Encore rifle or pistol frame?

If rifle - any issues registering as non-restricted. Also what fore end did U use?
 
thanks for the info Whelen.

Whelen B said:
A 12" barrel appears legal too at a hair over 26" if measured angle wise straight across from muzzle to toe of butt pad. Lose the pad and it wouldn't be legal.
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AFAIK the appropriate way to measure OAL is inline with the bore, not diagonally down to the toe of the buttstock. so if it just skates by at OAL diagonally, then the 12" barrels could potentially be classified as restricted depending on how they are measured.

regardless, 15" is what i would choose - it gives you a nice compact gun (that can also be taken down) but doesnt sacrifice too much in ballistics for non-magnum chamberings.

any idea how much they are roughly? and what the cheapest way to acquire a TC action for them is? this might be a really stupid question but i know nothing of the T/C Encores - i noticed they have T/C Encore BP rifles - is the action compatible between these and the centerfires? could one buy a less expensive BP rifle and then order the 15" centerfire barrel for it like with the Rossis?

:cheers:
 
manbearpig said:
this might be a really stupid question but i know nothing of the T/C Encores - i noticed they have T/C Encore BP rifles - is the action compatible between these and the centerfires? could one buy a less expensive BP rifle and then order the 15" centerfire barrel for it like with the Rossis?

:cheers:
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Yes. You can buy a BP and then add a centerfire barrel.

If you can find an importer and a company like this....
http://www.eabco.com/encore.html
 
In law I wonder if the factory must supply the barrel on the firearm they made- does that mean any factory making barrels or TC only??? Some of those Encore barrels are not made by TC I gather. Don't know if that could become an issue or not. With multi barrel designs maybe that's not an issue - worth asking a few questions about first. I'd just buy thru Epps or any other dealer you want that's set up to deal with TC's custom shop directly. I don't like to complicate things and they offer a huge number of chamberings for that 15" barrel.
 
Whelen B said:
Cool - lotsa thump with that in a small package.

Was it added to your Encore rifle or pistol frame?

If rifle - any issues registering as non-restricted. Also what fore end did U use?
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I just bought the barrel & put it on my Encore,no changes with the forestock.DAN>>>
 
DAN - you are a man of too few words.
I just bought the barrel & put it on my Encore
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I'm assuming then on your Encore rifle - there is an Encore pistol also. In fact the 15" barrels we are talking about are Encore pistol barrels. Next - did the 15" barrel you bought and put on come with a fore end? Seems odd that a standard 26" or 28" barrel fore end would just swap in under a 15" tube.

Please elaborate a little. Thanks.
 
In law I wonder if the factory must supply the barrel on the firearm they made- does that mean any factory making barrels or TC only??? Some of those Encore barrels are not made by TC I gather. Don't know if that could become an issue or not. With multi barrel designs maybe that's not an issue - worth asking a few questions about first. I'd just buy thru Epps or any other dealer you want that's set up to deal with TC's custom shop directly. I don't like to complicate things and they offer a huge number of chamberings for that 15" barrel.
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As long as it's manufactured as a short barrel and not cut down you're good to go. Dlask makes 12" & 14" 870 barrels that are legal, but you can't cut down an existing barrel shorter than 18 1/2". Any manufactured TC barrel that installs on your gun and doesn't make the overall length less than 26" and you're good.

My question is if you install a pistol grip on a TC with a long barrel that keeps the overall length over 26", does this make it a pistol since you can put pistol grips on shotguns over 26" and they still remain unrestricted why would doing the same not work for a TC.

Our laws are so conveluded and retarded it's hard to imagine they were made by adults.
 
Gunslinger said:
As long as it's manufactured as a short barrel and not cut down you're good to go. Dlask makes 12" & 14" 870 barrels that are legal, but you can't cut down an existing barrel shorter than 18 1/2". Any manufactured TC barrel that installs on your gun and doesn't make the overall length less than 26" and you're good.

My question is if you install a pistol grip on a TC with a long barrel that keeps the overall length over 26", does this make it a pistol since you can put pistol grips on shotguns over 26" and they still remain unrestricted why would doing the same not work for a TC.

Our laws are so conveluded and retarded it's hard to imagine they were made by adults.
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They weren't, they were made by politicians:confused:
As to the shotgun thing doesn't the shotgun still have to be over 26" with the pistol grip to remain unrestricted? TC's have a very short action so you would need a 22-24" or so barrel to stay over the 26" limit so I personally don't see what you would gain other than a long goofy looking pistol gripped rifle:D but I think it would still be considered an unrestricted long gun for classification purposes.
Kim
 
Whelen B said:
DAN - you are a man of too few words.

I'm assuming then on your Encore rifle - there is an Encore pistol also. In fact the 15" barrels we are talking about are Encore pistol barrels. Next - did the 15" barrel you bought and put on come with a fore end? Seems odd that a standard 26" or 28" barrel fore end would just swap in under a 15" tube.

Please elaborate a little. Thanks.
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The forends go on according to the taper on the barrel so if the pistol barrel has the same (heavy) taper as the rifle barrel they swap right across. I have heavy and regular taper barrels and forends for my TC Encore. I assume they all have the same mounting screw hole spacing. BP barrels are bull then comes heavy and then regular or standard barrels. Check it all out here
ht tp://www.tcarms.com/firearms/encoreAccessories.php
Kim
 
dizzy dan 1 said:
I have that barrel in 460 S&W for my Encore.DAN>>>:D
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I'll see your .460 barrel and raise you my short .500S&W barrel that is on one of my Encores.... :D

Truly it doesn't matter a hoot. Both would offer the shooter a real shoulder thump and would do well at hunting. I just got to try my reloads over a chrono the other evening. 1850 fps for the 350 grain Speer bullet for one and 1815 for the second shot. I'm reloading using a powder dipper more for fun than true accuracy so some variation isn't a big surprise.

Mine came with a modified long rifle foregrip on it so I made up a more pistol like foregrip to make it more visually appealing to me. The mod was to drill a new hole. Yes the short barrels use a different mounting screw spacing.

A truly great tight underbrush hunting gun would be one of these short barrels with the thumbhole Flexgrip stock. Short, light, good power and a nice weather proof stock.
 
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