i dont want an ar 15.....I NEED ONE

the tier debate holds little weight, I the Norcs have poor finish and machining, those that own them like them though.
 
buy yourself an all colt ar15 and you will not have any problems, dont bother with that norc junk.

I have owned Armalites, Bushmasters and Stags in the past, and my Nork shoots just as good if not better (except for the Stag) as them. In fact, the Nork is the only one I have kept.

The finish isn't the prettiest, but it works perfectly.
 
Buy quality, stay away from Norc.

Yet another naysayer. As an owner of a Nork, I have never had a single problem. It is reliable, and accurate. You have joined the group telling people to stay away from Nork, but like the rest, haven't offered up any first hand experience as to why.
 
Any tier AR will do exactly what you need it to do. All 3 of my stags have had 0 problems running that weren't related to mags. All I do with mine is givem some g96 on the bcg every once in a while. If they're lucky, I'll clean the barrel.
 
An AR-15 is a set of parts housings that do little to nothing, attached to the important parts; barrel, bolt, and carrier. As long as the parts housings are not pooched, you are fine with them. If you want to put the time in, starting with an inexpensive out of the box rifle, and add a barrel/bolt if need be, you will likely have a really solid rifle for much less then the big name rifles.

If you want something that is really good out of the box, and don't plan to d1ck with the rifle, LMT, CMMG, Colt(though avoid the "sporter" rifles with have a BC), and a pile of other ones are usually really good out of the box.

Are you looking for something that shoots like a bat out of hell regardless of look, something that looks like Barbie, but might not shoot, or a rifle that looks like Barbie, and still shoots like a bat out of hell out of the box?

Answer 1 means built a "parts rifle", Two means buy big name mid price range. Answer 3 means big name big dollar.
 
What do you want to do with your AR? Plink at the range once in a while? competition? SHTFOMFGZOMBIEBBQ?

How much money are you ready to lay down for an AR? You can't just bust out and say, I WANT AN AR! Because that's like saying you want a girlfriend, some are going to introduce you to hot models, some fat chick or worse a liberal.

Anyways, you can't go wrong with most of the AR's on the market up here in Canada.
 
How much money are you ready to lay down for an AR? You can't just bust out and say, I WANT AN AR! Because that's like saying you want a girlfriend, some are going to introduce you to hot models, some fat chick or worse a liberal.

Well put. And some of the same people have never had anything but liberals, or fat chicks.

AR advice is pretty awesome online IMO. There is a bunch of this is better then that coming from people that have never had to relube their AR yet, let alone used parts to exhaustion. Makes it difficult for people (like me) to learn.
 
I'm not a Norinco basher; quite to the contrary I own several Norinco manufactured products (except the AR). However my contention with the Norinco ARs is the price at which retailers are selling them at - around the $1,000 mark.

Without speculating on the business practices of the current importers, I would venture to say that for the extra $200-$400 or so you're going to spend on a name-brand AR it's worth the difference in fit and finish. Once the Norincos start coming in at a more acceptable price point they'll be a more worthwhile alternative.
 
A norc will run well enough and the while the finish is much better than previous Chinese offerings it still has a way to go to meet North American standards.

CMMG in the States has a similiar history quality wise as Dlask in Canada. It started with inconsistant quality but developed with experience and feedback into a high quality, non specialty components manufacturer.

I'm running a CMMG upper on a Dlask lower. Fit is seamless and it runs flawlessly. Dlask is fairly reasonable cost wise as compared to imported parts and there is the benefit of supporting a Canadian retailer and no bs with customs.

They all put similiar holes in paper at 100 m though...
 
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