This TSA Pilot's Holster Is A Killer (YouTube)

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I agree, some pretty crappy design there, but I can also maybe see a reasonable counterpoint.

These weapons are not to be used law enforcement style where a quick draw may save your life. The hardened door is meant to slow the entry of the attackers and give the pilots time to respond, and the rules requires the firearm to be disabled anyway during trips out of the cockpit. Therefore I don't know if it is critical that the round be chambered until it is drawn. If a round is not chambered while the holster is in use, the lock design is moot.

I think you could argue reasonably well that the time required to rack the slide and chamber a round would have no measurable affect on the outcome of this particular type of conflict, but would increase the safety margin somewhat.

You could also argue that the moment that the door is opened to deliver coffee or allow a bathroom break is subject to the greatest risk of a rush attack, but I suspect if we tested that scenario, a proficient attacker(s) could disable the pilot with his own gun before he had time to recognize the threat. Much more likely that they would successfully defend an attempted breach of the door instead, and in that case time is on thier side.

We have all seen the accidental discharge videos from active LEO incidents (like the DEA in a class full of kids), so the risk vs reward in this case has to be studied.
 
Panman said:
I agree, some pretty crappy design there, but I can also maybe see a reasonable counterpoint.

These weapons are not to be used law enforcement style where a quick draw may save your life. The hardened door is meant to slow the entry of the attackers and give the pilots time to respond, and the rules requires the firearm to be disabled anyway during trips out of the cockpit. Therefore I don't know if it is critical that the round be chambered until it is drawn. If a round is not chambered while the holster is in use, the lock design is moot.

I think you could argue reasonably well that the time required to rack the slide and chamber a round would have no measurable affect on the outcome of this particular type of conflict, but would increase the safety margin somewhat.

You could also argue that the moment that the door is opened to deliver coffee or allow a bathroom break is subject to the greatest risk of a rush attack, but I suspect if we tested that scenario, a proficient attacker(s) could disable the pilot with his own gun before he had time to recognize the threat. Much more likely that they would successfully defend an attempted breach of the door instead, and in that case time is on thier side.

We have all seen the accidental discharge videos from active LEO incidents (like the DEA in a class full of kids), so the risk vs reward in this case has to be studied.
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That was the first thing going through my head... if he leaves the firearm in the cockpit at all times... why is there one in the chamber? o_O it makes no freaking sense. The Pilots are not the first line of defense against a hijacking (whatever else) that's the airmarshals job. So as far as I can see it, that sidearm shouldn't even be on the pilots person, but possibly in a quick opening safe somewhere in the cockpit (provided there's room). OR I've heard there's an Uncle Mikes holster with a biometric lock on it (correct me if I'm wrong @.@) why not implement that? Have the cockpit crews biometrics in the lock so only they can remove the firearm? A lot more simpler and safer than a freaking padlock in the trigger guard @.@
 
mcpiper said:
Good program, bad idea regarding padlock. I thought Obama scrapped this program after taking office?
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He hasn't fully scrapped it yet, just stalled the processing of any new permits. Currently permitted pilots can still carry.

I'm sure someone's in his cabinet is likely trying to figure out how to drop it without a huge backlash.
 
Padlock on holster? Wow that's retarded. How about adding chains and an iron ball?

I thought many gun manufacturers already have designs of internal gun locks that can be locked and unlocked with a key (only Springfield comes to mind right now). Isn't that the perfect thing for this program?
 
--Terry-- said:
Padlock on holster? Wow that's retarded. How about adding chains and an iron ball?

I thought many gun manufacturers already have designs of internal gun locks that can be locked and unlocked with a key (only Springfield comes to mind right now). Isn't that the perfect thing for this program?
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taurus uses that internal lock thingy as well o.o;
 
Why does he need a holster if he can't take the gun out of the cabin?
Seems a simple lock box or safe attached to the cockpit wall would make a lot more sense.
Some politician's relative must have come up with this stupid holster and is probably charging the government $1000 each for these ingenious devices.:D
 
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