The Making of the Military’s Standard Arms

[BCP]

The Geneva Convention only applies to its signatories (i.e. nations that signed on) and not to Enemy Combatants such as Taliban.

I understood the Geneva Convention regulates treatment of POW and the Hague Convention is for use of weapons. So if we aren't in combat with a signatory of the Hague Convention, is it a free for all? Woohoo! Bring out the chemical & biological weapons! Just kidding of course! I think there would be too much sh*t from the international community, even if we are allowed.

 

[Sinasta]

I understood the Geneva Convention regulates treatment of POW and the Hague Convention is for use of weapons. So if we aren't in combat with a signatory of the Hague Convention, is it a free for all? Woohoo! Bring out the chemical & biological weapons! Just kidding of course! I think there would be too much sh*t from the international community, even if we are allowed.

Read my above post.

 

[y2k]

I still like the Czech 7.62x45mm round.

 

[RayMan]

A better choice in my opinion would be 7.62 nato, lots of power and range+ 20 round mags.

Though one of the reasons for the switch to an intermediate cartridge was the ammunition-to-weight ratio. A cartridge approaching the reach and power of the 7.62mm NATO and the transportability of the 5.56mm NATO seems to be the ideal. I guess that's why some people are keen on the 6.8mm SPC or 6.5mm Grendel.

 

[762shooter]

does anyone know an estimate of the cost of this. I take it would be in the hundreds of millions

Try at least $1.5 billion just for the replacement rifles, throw in another .5 billion for the squad automatics. Then add R & D to develop the new rifle, squad automatic and cartridge. Then add training and manufacture of a sufficient stockpile of ammunition. I could see $10 billion disappearing really fast.

 

[TheManInBlack]

Try at least $1.5 billion just for the replacement rifles, throw in another .5 billion for the squad automatics. Then add R & D to develop the new rifle, squad automatic and cartridge. Then add training and manufacture of a sufficient stockpile of ammunition. I could see $10 billion disappearing really fast.

Holy moly. ok now we know why it hasnt been changed

 

[crashcollins]

I think we are stuck with the C7-C8/5.56 for the foreseeable future, but small improvements may be made over time; new caliber uppers maybe different ammunition issued ect ect. Speaking of ammo does anyone know if Canada issues any 5.56 heavy ball like the Mk262 77gr. ammo the US uses, or is it all SS109 62gr.?

 

[eigenvector]

Holy moly. ok now we know why it hasnt been changed

In the context of the US military budget, $2 billion is chump change. Have you seen what a fighter jet (let alone the fuel and munitions) costs?

 

[TheManInBlack]

they are only spending 10 billion a month to fund the whole war over there

 

[WWIII]

It's actually the Hague Convention. And even though the Taliban are are not signatories, it has became customary law not to use expanding bullets.

Yes your right, the Hague specifically covers weapons of war and the Geneva specifically covers treatment of victims of war.

 

[greentips]

Isn't that this thread should be about looking at pictures of the Colt factory??

 

[WWIII]

Isn't that this thread should be about looking at pictures of the Colt factory??

no

 

[ESQ]

 

[KevinB]

The 70gr BlackHills "optimized" BrownTip round is an OTM...

 

[WWIII]

The 70gr BlackHills "optimized" BrownTip round is an OTM...

Open Tip Match, almost a hollow point , Should be standard issue for the War on Terror.

 

[Reaper]

clearly someone hasnt been in the service, the military has to take a long look at what is happening in the world now. fighting is much closer so 5.56 has outgrown its usefulness. they need a round that hits and punchs not hits and goes through cleanly

Still serving, 25 years Reg Force Infantry thanks. I don't have any fancy REMF pics taken with the Stanley Cup to show off, nor do I need to post my resume here for you. Those that know me know what I've done and where I've been.
With regards to your comments I have yet to be in a situation where the 5.56mm round failed to perform from muzzle contact distances to 400m,absolutely zero issues with obtaining the desired effect on the target.
I'm afraid you should read less gun rags and do some research before flexing your "interweb pie hole."

 

[ESQ]

 

[kako911]

PIZZZZZZZ

 

[crashcollins]

yup; the closer the combat and the 5.56 is more likely to fragment and incapacitate the bad guy

 

[recce]

yup; the closer the combat and the 5.56 is more likely to fragment and incapacitate the bad guy

Are you inferring that from the chart that Reaper posted? I took it to be start to finish of entrance and exit of the projectile, not the distance that the round was fired from.

Question, not an attack on your post.