Mosin...1891/30 sniper or not?

[camster]

Hey all...

Out of my element here. Newbie asking newbie things...

I see mosin nagants (91/30's) for sale often and, cheap (under200$'s). I see snipers for sale often and pricey(over600$'s)...

One comes with a PU scope. I have found PU scopes and mounts...does a standard 91/30 become a "sniper" model simply by slapping on a scope? Is it possible to make a cheapie a "sniper collectable" simply adding a scope or, are there other variations too?

My trader rating may jump form 0 to 2 (buying a cheap 91/30 and selling a very collectable "sniper variant")**

Any replies apreciated. No ego left here to bruise...

**edited...to be fair, it still wouldn't be a "genuine" sniper and, couldn't be sold as such (no trader rating at all and I'm worried about!)

 

[cantom]

A flood of MN repro snipers has entered the country in the last year or so. They're usually at the $700-$900 mark. A number of CGN vendors carry them.

A real MN sniper would probably be closer to $1500.

Your mileage may vary etc etc.

I had one and it was very good quality, very well done. It's on the EE right now as a matter of fact, an excellent rifle. (gun room cleanup)

 

[scianna54]

Mosin nagant $200 for OK condition, scope and mounts $350 (steel), bend bolt $75 or more plus mounting (requires wood work and drilling/tapping), good luck

 

[JP]

Original Mosin Snipers with all the Bells and Whistle are hard to find now (none have been imported into Canada for at least 15 years or more), easy to tell them apart from the current reproductions on the market.

 

[camster]

...repro= reproduction?

Thanks for the fast replies guys...

Basically the rifle is the same? Are there no other indicators?
-bent bolt (clears scope)...bubba'd bend would be very obvious. Were "original" snipers equipped with completely different bolt or, just "bent" at factory/arsenal?
-PU mounted scope...(some new on repro's some old, WWII era)

What makes a "sniper" authentic?


As pointed out above (thank you scianna54) even the (normally cost prohibitive way) "long way around" is cheaper than a "repro sniper"

200 (base rifle) + 350$ (scope n' mount)+ 75$ (bolt)

...still under 700$'s with the "hands on fun"...

 

[cantom]

Original Mosin Snipers with all the Bells and Whistle are hard to find now (none have been imported into Canada for at least 15 years or more), easy to tel theml apart from the current repros on the market.

I have seen a few of the current Ukranian sniper repros done on original Mosin sniper rifles. Thus they had the correct number on the left of the barrel and sniper proofs. Better than just a rack grade rifle...but there aren't many of those. Resnipering a former sniper is much harder than converting a rack grade rifle to a repro.

One thing is, the 42 Izhevsk snipers didn't have the number on the barrel so it's hard to tell.

When you've seen a real scope and a modern repro side by side it's easy to tell the difference.

 

[cantom]

...repro= reproduction?

Thanks for the fast replies guys...

Basically the rifle is the same? Are there no other indicators?
-bent bolt (clears scope)...bubba'd bend would be very obvious. Were "original" snipers equipped with completely different bolt or, just "bent" at factory/arsenal?
-PU mounted scope...(some new on repro's some old, WWII era)

What makes a "sniper" authentic?


As pointed out above (thank you scianna54) even the (normally cost prohibitive way) "long way around" is cheaper than a "repro sniper"

200 (base rifle) + 350$ (scope n' mount)+ 75$ (bolt)

...still under 700$'s with the "hands on fun"...

Don't take the scope installation job lightly. It is quite easy to mount the base at the wrong height, wrong angle, etc etc.
The current repros do a good job of this. The bolt handles look good. The wood is nicely inletted. The scopes are good.

 

[Architect_SA]

Real mosin snipers were made on an entirely different assembly line with much stricter standards for accuracy and overall quality. The best ones of those were made into sniper rifles. It's not simply a matter of slapping a scope onto any old Mosin. The current repros are, I believe, up to this quality. However bare in mind they are really just repros, they never saw any action as sniper rifles.

 

[camster]

...good definitive ring to this one!

Real mosin snipers were made on an entirely different assembly line with much stricter standards for accuracy and overall quality. The best ones of those were made into sniper rifles. It's not simply a matter of slapping a scope onto any old Mosin. The current repros are, I believe, up to this quality. However bare in mind they are really just repros, they never saw any action as sniper rifles.

ok...this sounds like what I was asking. Thanks all of you...I'm feeling kinda silly now...searched puscope and mounts...turns out (for the connoisseur) the receiver, scope mount etc...all have matching numbers...
trader rating...0, no sniper knock offs today

 

[Klunk]

Real mosin snipers were made on an entirely different assembly line with much stricter standards for accuracy

where did you hear that?

they were actually picked off the REGULAR assembly line and chosen only because they showed accuracy potential

......they were then drilled tapped and scoped and issued to Vasilly....

 

[scianna54]

You can buy a back converted sniper from those guys

psmilitaria.50megs.com/guns.html


for $275 ++ and add the scope, bent bolt etc. The bent bolts are not easy to get or make especially the nice looking ones. As stated before, don't take the conversion too easy.

I bought one of those back converted snipers from a guy who did this job. You can still identify those as the stock repair is usually bigger than the initial cut out.

Still, personally I think they are too much money, the scope is only 1 x magnification, why not just slap a rear sight scope mount on and a put a 3-9 long eye relief magnification scope on it?

Or mount a POSP scope on it which will give you a nice magnification and is of excellent quality.