Coyote Cull Controversy - Your Take?

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I was watching the news today, and they were discussing how some hunting club is having a Coyote Cull Contest (I think Osgoode, Ontario).... Hunters need to legally harvest coyotes, then bring the carcass for proof, pay $2 and are entered into a draw...sort of a win-win solution for trying to bring down the population...

Here's what got me pi$$ed. The other side of the story was some lady from a wildlife protection group, saying she doesn't want to see any coyotes being shot at all... Her exact quote after was, "instead, we should learn to coexist with them.". Try telling that to someone who loses a family pet, or a family member (like that young lady who was mauled/attacked in Newfoundland...she died). Coexist? No, there is no coexisting if things are getting out of hand. It was that attitude, and being overprotective, that allowed the levels to rise up to there current high, was it not?

What is your take? Should there be more restrictions on the coyote hunt and "coexisting" ( :rolleyes: ), or should there be responsible harvesting (note....responsible... I don't mean go and nuke the population) and possibly a higher harvest allowance?

What do you think should be done? :confused:

I just want to get a discussion going.... that lady's attitude REALLY got my blood boiling for some reason..she reminded me of some neo-hippie, sipping hemp tea, but if a family member got shot, she would probably demand the death penalty for the murderer....but not the cuddly animals! (with teeth, and an appetite for your little pomeranian). :yingyang:
 
As far as I'm aware, this Co-existing she speaks of, has always used hunters to keep populations in check.

Kind of tired of these pro-animal groups. I duck hunt at brunswick point, which happens to be a good spot to go watch the birds. Perfectly legal to hunt the marsh there, but when I come in, I've been glared at, growled at, you name it. The stupidest part of all that argueing and over protectiveness, is that they go home and eat their chicken that was raised in a massive barn for the sole purpose of ending up on their plate. Is it more humane just because said individual was not involved? I call bs.

Mark
 
:agree: Those are the worst kinds of people... "OMG no! you can't shoot that animal! How would you like it if someone shot at you?"

"how would YOU like being kept in a tiny cage, slaughtered, then sold in cellophane wrap in the local Metro?.... Oh, and nice deer skin gloves, and I admire your wife's sheep skin coat...Is that your Ford Explorer? "
 
'Yote Cull

I am paying my $2.00 to enter, just wish it was a nicer shotgun being raffled off.

There are so many coyotes in and around Ottawa it is crazy. I live not 500-600 yards from zoned Greenspace and can find coyote tracks and dung. Here kitty kitty......

P.
 
I know which side of the fence I'm on, and let's just say it's not the popular side around here. As many of you know it's damn hard to survive in the woods, let alone during the Canadian winter... So I have a huge amount of respect for animals that do... And I would have hard time hunting such animal with no intention of using its carcass afterwards.

If you raise cattle and you are losing stock to coyotes, that's a good reason to go out and shoot coyotes... But all this stuff about humans needing to "regulate" the coyote population doesn't seem very logical. Nature doesn't need us to regulate itself. If there are too many coyotes around at some point they run out of preys, go hungry and their numbers go down. Sure that means lean years for hunters as well, but the "system" works out imbalances in the end...

Same for the coyotes attacking humans arguments... Seriously, how many DOMESTIC dog attacks are there every year? Right in town or in the city...

If you want to go out and shoot coyotes because you like the hunt and the feeling of getting a kill, more power to you... But don't serve me some hysteric false argument about why you are doing it.

Just IMO...
 
Man's here to stay. Farming and civilization sometimes permanently changes the ecosystem such that certain plants and animals thrive. It changes the natural balance point. Opportunists. We drain land, cultivate, plant, allow grazing animals on it, and certain pests like gophers thrive. Cultivation also brings in desirable animals like whitetail deer, but even they are pests to some. Hunting shapes the animal population in a manner that eliminates the bold and fearless animals, which in turn culls from the genetics those predisposed towards living closer to humans than we want them. Leave 'em be and you will end up with just the opposite. I do agree though, there has to be a healthy balance and a purpose. Me, for example, I don't want skunks and racoons around my house, so I won't simply let them be, even if they were here first.
 
lucky07 said:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=425805&highlight=coyote

There is also a thread on the OOD forums for those who are members there.
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BAH! I should've seen that... sorry about making another thread!

As to Patrick's response... I live in your neck of the woods (well ottawa South)... I know what that's like... I had a coyote cross the road while I was driving down Lester, and then again on River Road... the thing just stood there and glared at me as I slammed to a stop :( Good luck in the contest! (I personally am not in it haha)

And as for Raised, your opinion is always welcome, no? I can see where you are coming from... However, I think you should also possibly consider that the coyotes are affecting the populations of the animals we do hunt for food/our own purposes, like deer for example. 2 family friends of ours have homes outside of Ottawa (past the metropolan part)...and they have both found deer carcasses on their property, more than once, eaten by coyotes/killed by them and left for a snack again later. Yes, it is a natural process. They are a species that is allowed to be alive, they need to hunt deer to live, etc. Like wolves, like eagles, like whales. However, when there are too many of them...it gets out of hand, and a little uncomfortable when its in your backyard...they get aggressive!

Anyway, that's my thought... but what do I know! lol
 
Short story here.

My cousin knows a guy that goes to the shop he works at quite often. Lives in the middle of nowhere. Looks out the window one night and what does he see? A coyote in the box of his pickup chewing at a deer hide he left in there to bring to someone the next day.

Some may say well don't leave a deer carcase in your truck.... better question is what was the coyote doing in the box of the truck under a spotlight? By the time he got the gun she was a mile away. That one needs to be dropped, a coyote that bold/brave/stupid is not something I want in my back yard.
 
Canada is a big country. It's not like the yotes are surrounded and about to be extinct. There are plenty of tasty bunnies in the woods but they have developed a taste for kitty cats and garbage so shoot the varmints!
 
The problem I see with the "nature will take care of the high population" argument is that coyotes are very intelligent and opportunistic. They THRIVE in close proximity to humans. Lots of garbage, pets, and livestock to feast on. Its difficult to hunt them in suburban areas. Land on which to hunt is difficult to find, and its harder to pull them away from easy food. To support the high populations they become bolder and more agressive. Those are my thoughts.
 
emilio613 said:
Try telling that to someone who loses a family pet, or a family member (like that young lady who was mauled/attacked in Newfoundland...she died).
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That was Cape Breton, not Newfoundland, btw.

Coyotes need to be managed (controlled) like most other predator or prey species. Nature worked it out herself long before we were here, but now that we've taken 'over the world' (so to speak), and upset the balance, we have to do it.

Its too late to try and go back. We can't leave it alone and hope that it works itself out, not as long as we're here and an active part of it. A cull doesn't solve the problem. Its a stop gap solution, and sometimes a necessary one.

Some coyotes will survive (probably a lot more than some), and they will find themselves in a prey rich environment where they don't have to compete for food like they would have before. Mated pairs will have more pups, more of whom will survive, and the population will climb back up once again. Back to square one.
 
Coyotes are best afraid of man when they get in the habit of hanging around its time for them to go

I remember growing up and being sh!t scared and seeing 2 yotes .......and wondering where the other ones were
 
I give credit to the OFGC for trying to do something about the overpopulated yotes. But personally, it's not enough to motivate me off my couch..

I have to pay $2 to enter a contest to win a Mossberg??? Hell, at least make it a Remmy or Beretta.

I spoke with my hunting buddies. They WILL go hunt coyotes for a bounty, as will I.
Up and above that, I'm going icefishing.
 
Wiley is thriving despite the hunting pressure. Wiley has been shot, poisoned, trapped and every other method of attempting to control his numbers and still thrives. You want Wiley gone, you bring in wolves.
Read an on-line study, a couple of weeks back, that indicated culling attempts make no difference whatsoever and can actually cause a population increase. Forget where I saw it, naturally.
Taking Wiley off the Fur Bearing list(Ontario) wouldn't hurt, but very likely wouldn't make any difference. Neither would a bounty.
"...lady from a wildlife protection group..." Too much Disney.
 
every coyote has the "potential" to take a small child-they should be treated like crocodiles- SHOOT EVERY ONE YOU SEE-
 
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