For TRG rifles, new Pic rail

I don't understand. I thought we were talking abou the physical shape of the base and not materials.

Is 17-4 and a tap ($5) make $150 more in price then 6061? what is the scope made of? 6061 or 17-4?

I understood the big selling feature of the base you are selling is its physical shape for side impact and not the material.

Is 6061 not suitable for mounts? How much stronger is your base? Would it be 150% stronger like the price?

It would help to have pictures of the base underside like Near Mfg or of the undersides showing the locking feature. Do you have a photo of one installed on a TRG? It would be great to see them on the site. Lots of confusion.

Why not supply the metric screws? Seems running a tap into an expensive rifle might not be a good idea for the average guy with no cutting lubes or way to clean the action one the tap was used.



17-4 stainless steel is ALOT more expensive material than 6061 aluminum is. About 3 times more in fact and it is ALOT harder to machine so tooling last less and takes ALOT more machine time than machining aluminum does, about double the time.

Some specs to ponder.
17-4 condition H1150 tensile strength 144000 PSI brinnell hardness 311
6061 T461 tensile strength 45000 PSI brinnell hardness 95
1018 (common mild steel) tensile strength 63800 PSI brinnell hardness 126

Guess which 1 will distort from torque or crush easiest??
So in answer to your question I guess it is yes, our rail IS 3 times stronger and costs alot more to make, so is priced accordingly.

We are trying to source the metric screws so as to avoid the issue of guys with little mechanical adeptness having to chase threads on their rifle.

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Kudos to you Rick. I get potential clients saying my millwork is too expensive, I usually tell them to go away. Maybe I should take a hint from you and try to explain materials and methods clearly.
 
that looks cool Rick. Which rifle is that one on? I definitely like the way it fits to the dovetails. I think my next TRG will sport this rail too. Can't let 757Fixer be too far ahead of the game, even if he has a TRG42 now too.
 
that looks cool Rick. Which rifle is that one on? I definitely like the way it fits to the dovetails. I think my next TRG will sport this rail too. Can't let 757Fixer be too far ahead of the game, even if he has a TRG42 now too.

That particular rail is on my own Sako AV hunting rifle, the only difference being that on the AV only 2 screws are used and the dovetail is more tapered than on the TRGs and the TRGs use 4 screws
They fit on exactly the same way and to the same tolerances.
 
Leave it Rick. As the others have said, price will be #1 motivator for some, others will pay whatever needed for the best humanity has created, and buy both top end kit, and enough ammo to wear barrels out.

You chose where you want to play. ;)
 
YES and i'am not alone, i'am SURE.... i have a TRG-42 in 338 LM, i shoot it, i abuse it and 2 times i had to clean the top receiver, put again blue lock-tite and properly torque the screw that hold the base to the gun, WHY ?? it was loose... i have the old style, flat base

Why do you think that Near have changed their style ??, why rick have worked in building a new design ?? because there was a need for that NOTHING ELSE


Keep up the good work Rick, even if you make a HUGE sale at 95$ for that base, some baby will still pee on it ANYWAY...
and guess what, most of the member that shoot bad comment on your rail, probably never had and will never own a TRG !!! they only need to cry on your shoulder little bit, jealousy, it's only that, yep, only jealousy lolll
 
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+1 on that - who puts a quality rail on a ~$3600 dollar gun to mount their ~$2000 dollar scope? Crazy talk! :p I suppose if we made them out of melted down recycled pop cans we could have come in waaaaay cheaper, but I digress ;)

YES and i'am not alone, i'am SURE.... i have a TRG-42 in 338 LM, i shoot it, i abuse it and 2 times i had to clean the top receiver, put again blue lock-tite and properly torque the screw that hold the base to the gun, WHY ?? it was loose... i have the old style, flat base

Why do you think that Near have changed their style ??, why rick have worked in building a new design ?? because there was a need for that NOTHING ELSE


Keep up the good work Rick, even if you make a HUGE sale at 95$ for that base, some baby will still pee on it ANYWAY...
and guess what, most of the member that shoot bad comment on your rail, probably never had and will never own a TRG !!! they only need to cry on your shoulder little bit, jealousy, it's only that, yep, only jealousy lolll
 
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I give up

Please don't ! Don't be discouraged ....at the end of the day not matter what anyone designs and sells there will be someone with a negative opinion. Check out any AR-15 forum. People will discuss ad nauseam a back up iron sight they will probably never flip up

We need people in Canada to come up with more options. I for one will buy the from the company I enjoy dealing with, not so much the finer details. I would also pay more ( within reason ) to buy the same product from someone I want to support and enjoy dealing with

For the record, my buddy and I had for 8 years TRG-42s with the original NEAR rail and never had a problem with lots of field abuse. My buddy managed to crack his TRG-42 stock last year !

The only reason I have a TRI-Lug on mine was that I was replacing my scope and mount with a NEAR Alphamount and he offered an upgrade for a price I couldn't refuse

I would have no reservations buying your base. As far as cost goes, anyone that worries about a $50 difference on a base being used for a $4K gun and most likely over $2K optic

Hope you don't mind a little TRG scope mount #### that is a competitive product but this thread needs pictures . Please let me know if this is OK and I will remove pic

TRGScope.jpg
 
Please don't ! Don't be discouraged ....at the end of the day not matter what anyone designs and sells there will be someone with a negative opinion. Check out any AR-15 forum. People will discuss ad nauseam a back up iron sight they will probably never flip up

We need people in Canada to come up with more options. I for one will buy the from the company I enjoy dealing with, not so much the finer details. I would also pay more ( within reason ) to buy the same product from someone I want to support and enjoy dealing with

For the record, my buddy and I had for 8 years TRG-42s with the original NEAR rail and never had a problem with lots of field abuse. My buddy managed to crack his TRG-42 stock last year !

The only reason I have a TRI-Lug on mine was that I was replacing my scope and mount with a NEAR Alphamount and he offered an upgrade for a price I couldn't refuse

I would have no reservations buying your base. As far as cost goes, anyone that worries about a $50 difference on a base being used for a $4K gun and most likely over $2K optic

Hope you don't mind a little TRG scope mount #### that is a competitive product but this thread needs pictures . Please let me know if this is OK and I will remove pic

TRGScope.jpg

All USEFUL info and photos are ALWAYS welcome.
To have our products compared to others who offer similar is great, each has pros and cons.
Our intent was to offer a top quality precision scope mount that we know is made of superior material and has some engineering benefits to what is offered by Sako or USO or Near.
The Near rail has changed from what we originally saw and certainly I do not knock what Richard makes. We felt that to have the factory dovetail captured was a positive thing over the 2 small clamps that Sako uses to lock onto the dovetail, and feel that having just screws to hold the rail on although widely used by most scope rail makers for almost every oyher rifle made without any real issues, could be enhanced by having our rail capture the dovetail and make the rail as rock solid as is possible.
The fact is our rail is more expensive than the USO, about the same price I understand of the Near rail and ALOT less $ than the Sako rail.

To those who appreciate quality and structural products our rail will appeal, for those who want the cheapest flimsy rail available, shop elsewhere.
 
As others have mentioned, I do not understand the logic behind running a cheap rail on this type of rifle. The only reason I could think of would be if one had a cheap optic to run on the rifle. Cheap optics on decent rifles is disease with no known cure, and one I cannot understand. Why would you shell out $3500 to $4000.00 for a rifle, another untold amount for loading gear and brass, and throw a cheap rail/cheap scope combo on the rifle? If you can afford the rifle should you not be able to afford the scope? Someone wrote a rule a long time ago, that stated the same amount should be spent on optics, that are spent on the rifle. This is sage advice and has served me very well. For those interested EGW makes a $50.00 mount for the TRG. What a bargain! Think of all the money you'll save. While you're at it, you should run down to Princess Auto and buy one of their $20.00 soft rifle cases to put it all in. Nice!

R.
 
All USEFUL info and photos are ALWAYS welcome.
To have our products compared to others who offer similar is great, each has pros and cons.
Our intent was to offer a top quality precision scope mount that we know is made of superior material and has some engineering benefits to what is offered by Sako or USO or Near.
The Near rail has changed from what we originally saw and certainly I do not knock what Richard makes. We felt that to have the factory dovetail captured was a positive thing over the 2 small clamps that Sako uses to lock onto the dovetail, and feel that having just screws to hold the rail on although widely used by most scope rail makers for almost every oyher rifle made without any real issues, could be enhanced by having our rail capture the dovetail and make the rail as rock solid as is possible.
The fact is our rail is more expensive than the USO, about the same price I understand of the Near rail and ALOT less $ than the Sako rail.

To those who appreciate quality and structural products our rail will appeal, for those who want the cheapest flimsy rail available, shop elsewhere.
Forgive my ignorance, but what advantage does this mount have over the factory 3 ring optiloc? I looked into the near base and alpha mount when I purchased my rifle, but decided on the sako mount as it was the same cost. The finish on the sako mount is the same as the rifle and I assumed that sako would have built it to handle the recoil of their own rifle. I have never had any issues with it at all and like the fact that they offer their own complete system (muzzle brake, scope mount, bipod, etc) for the rifle.
 
Forgive my ignorance, but what advantage does this mount have over the factory 3 ring optiloc? I looked into the near base and alpha mount when I purchased my rifle, but decided on the sako mount as it was the same cost. The finish on the sako mount is the same as the rifle and I assumed that sako would have built it to handle the recoil of their own rifle. I have never had any issues with it at all and like the fact that they offer their own complete system (muzzle brake, scope mount, bipod, etc) for the rifle.

Cost is 1 advantage, the fact that our rail has 25 moa built into it is another as the Sako mount is flat, and for those who want to shoot the distances that the 338 is capable of,many scopes do not have enough elevation in them. Another advatage is that our rail like Nears use standard Picatinny rings so the options are virtually limitless in height and weight, material and design.
I doubt you can attach and ACD or Cosine indicator to a Sako mount. Our rail by design is more structural than what Sako offers as well, being as we capture the entire dovetail. The Sako rail uses 2 small rail claws to lock the rail to the dovetail.
I can not comment on what Sako makes their rails out of as we do not know what material they use, other than we know it is steel. Whether it is mild steel, or something like 4140 we don't know, we do know our rail is made of very high grade stainless. I do know I have rounded the the hex inside their screws with not alot of effort.
The Sako rail and Optiloc rings are good kit but limit scope mounting options a fair bit. Good luck getting 34 or 35 or God forbid 40mm rings from Sako. They are just not available.

The need for a 3 ring mount eludes me, I see absolutely no need for it, it is not like a 338 has terrible recoil, and there are some who believe that having 3 or 4 rings mounting a scope down, there by counteracting the scopes flex during recoil make in fact be damaging to the scopes guts.
I have no hard evidence to back this up but am hearing this possibility being put forward by some scope manufacturers. Apparently there can be too much "rock solid" mounting solutions applied.

As for the Sako brake I can guarantee you our brake is more efficient and the same $$ as what Sako offers, but that is another topic.

Really it all boils down to more options being availabe for the shooting public.
Not eveyone is happy with Henry Fords solution of 1 car, 1 color, no problems.

You are happy with the way you have your rifle kitted out, which is fine, others however were looking for solutions that Sako would not solve, so we did.
 
Cost is 1 advantage, the fact that our rail has 25 moa built into it is another as the Sako mount is flat, and for those who want to shoot the distances that the 338 is capable of,many scopes do not have enough elevation in them. Another advatage is that our rail like Nears use standard Picatinny rings so the options are virtually limitless in height and weight, material and design.
I doubt you can attach and ACD or Cosine indicator to a Sako mount. Our rail by design is more structural than what Sako offers as well, being as we capture the entire dovetail. The Sako rail uses 2 small rail claws to lock the rail to the dovetail.
I can not comment on what Sako makes their rails out of as we do not know what material they use, other than we know it is steel. Whether it is mild steel, or something like 4140 we don't know, we do know our rail is made of very high grade stainless. I do know I have rounded the the hex inside their screws with not alot of effort.
The Sako rail and Optiloc rings are good kit but limit scope mounting options a fair bit. Good luck getting 34 or 35 or God forbid 40mm rings from Sako. They are just not available.

The need for a 3 ring mount eludes me, I see absolutely no need for it, it is not like a 338 has terrible recoil, and there are some who believe that having 3 or 4 rings mounting a scope down, there by counteracting the scopes flex during recoil make in fact be damaging to the scopes guts.
I have no hard evidence to back this up but am hearing this possibility being put forward by some scope manufacturers. Apparently there can be too much "rock solid" mounting solutions applied.

As for the Sako brake I can guarantee you our brake is more efficient and the same $$ as what Sako offers, but that is another topic.

Really it all boils down to more options being availabe for the shooting public.
Not eveyone is happy with Henry Fords solution of 1 car, 1 color, no problems.

You are happy with the way you have your rifle kitted out, which is fine, others however were looking for solutions that Sako would not solve, so we did.
The sako mount has 30 MOA built in to the rail, and they also make for 34mm tube.
http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/TRGtactmount.pdf
 
That is a seriously heavy duty arrangement!!

Do you use a brake as well or is the rifle shot without a brake?

I use it on the bench with the brake. For years when hunting I removed the brake but he reality is when you are burning 100gr of powder its loud as hell anyways so you still need hearing protections. Usually I have plenty of time to slip in ear plugs anyways so last year I let the brake on

Doesn't boot too bad without the brake since the entire rig with bipod etc weighs a ton
 
The sako mount has 30 MOA built in to the rail, and they also make for 34mm tube.
http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/TRGtactmount.pdf

Brian
The great thing about living and forums like this, is that it allows a person to keep learning.
The rails that we have had from Sako were flat, thank you for your post as now I am aware that some of the Sako rails do in fact have added minutes in them and that 34mm rings DO exist for these rifles.
Thanks!!
 
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