Tanfo Stock II

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Hey guys. Who has the best prices on the Tanfo guns? It seems they are the same price everywere. I know FV brings them in but do they ever go on sale?

My wife has cleared me on a new gun so I am ready to purchase. I really am having a hard time believing that a Stock II is worth $2000 though.


With the wisdom of a well respected poster on here I am considering buying the Stock II instead of a SP-01 Shadow. Is there some place I can hold & fondle:D both of these guns.
 
I doubt you will find any great variation in pricing of Tanfoglio products in Canada. The only time product is likely to go on sale is when product lines are changed and old stock is discounted.
 
if you don't buy new, than keep looking for a used one. They show up time to time in the exchange and also via Armco.
 
Out of the box, the DA on the CZ is smoother, and lighter with the lighter hammer spring. SA are similiar, but reset on my stock2's are better. In a match you can hardly notice the difference. DA I feel is longer for travel in the CZ than my stock 2, but the CZ out of the box is smoother for sure. You need some TLC around the Stock2 plunger, sear cage, hammer strut and trigger bar AND Interruptor!. After some use you can see where the blueing is coming off from these parts. These are areas that may need some smoothing if the factory has not done so.
 
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Out of the box, the DA on the CZ is smoother, and lighter with the lighter hammer spring. SA are similiar, but reset on my stock2's are better. In a match you can hardly notice the difference. DA I feel is longer for travel in the CZ than my stock 2, but the CZ out of the box is smoother for sure. You need some TLC around the Stock2 plunger, sear cage, hammer strut and trigger bar. After some use you can see where the blueing is coming off from these parts. These are areas that may need some smoothing if the factory has not done so.

O.K. then with you saying all of that can someone tell me why the Tanfo stock II is better?
 
O.K. then with you saying all of that can someone tell me why the Tanfo stock II is better?

It is better for me, and I don't mind that I had to pay extra for it. The bull barrel is very nice, and I like the grip better especially with that big thumb safety. I like the grip serrations on the slide better as I find them more aggressive. The stock2 comes with an adjustable rear sight. You can get it hard chromed or gun kote (the pistol), but you can not with the CZ shadow. they are both good pistols, and I have owned a shadow. I prefer my stock 2. Mags for the stock2 are better.
 
I have Shadow and was considering switching to Stock at some point, but found trigger pull on it not as good as on Shadow. The Stock has a bigger grip which fits my hand better, but I solved that issue with Shadow by putting on wooden grips wrapped in a grip tape. Mo is right, it is very individual and you have to try both guns, ideally try to shoot them both before steeling on one or another.

Also, there is several variations of triggers used in Shadow, I had to replace trigger they put on a factory on my backup Shadows, it was thinner, shorter and more curved one.
 
If it comes down to concerns over the differences in the triggers, with a little judicious polishing the Tanfo trigger can be very sweet indeed. Ask Josko at Double Tap Sports to try his; it's insane. The tanfo triggers will always stack just a little bit on the DA stroke right at the end (not necessarily a bad thing), whereas the CZ tends to do the opposite. However, it's kind of a tomato v.s. tomawto thing, so once you are used to the feel of the pull on either gun there's no real advantage to be had there. Both guns have excellent SA pulls so that's a wash. You'll have a learning curve and tuning phase with either choice, naturally, and both guns might need some sort of trigger smoothing at some point to tune to personal taste, but that's to be expected in any high volume IPSC gun. It really depends on how fussy you are, and how competitive you are or intend to be. You may be fine with either trigger right out of the gate so in that case there would be no added cost.

Tanfos are higher end guns and have a more features than CZ's out of the box (checkering for instance, adjustable sights, mag well, etc), but they do cost more. The polygonal barrels are accurate in the extreme. The Tanfo's Stock II's were designed around competition, whereas CZ's were designed around combat, and adapted to competition.

Bottom line; you are comparing between what are probably the two best choices for Production division, so you probably wouldn't be disappointed with either choice. Following the adage, "always buy the best you can afford," I would say Tanfo if you have the money and CZ if coughing up the extra dough is just too painful. You'll end up happy either way. Whichever you choose, I do suggest you save yourself some headaches and get the gun tuned by someone who knows how, and then just go have fun with it.

Good luck!

R
 
Oddly enough I tried Josko's own Tanfoglio gun where I didn't like the DA.
Also, it somehow felt like hammer was bouncing a little when falling down to the firing pin (similar to GP100s), while CZ's hammer just goes down and stays there. Not that it makes any difference and I wonder if that was just because of the heavier firing pin spring which makes hammer to bounce.
 
Oddly enough I tried Josko's own Tanfoglio gun where I didn't like the DA.
Also, it somehow felt like hammer was bouncing a little when falling down to the firing pin (similar to GP100s), while CZ's hammer just goes down and stays there. Not that it makes any difference and I wonder if that was just because of the heavier firing pin spring which makes hammer to bounce.

Ah, but you shoot a CZ and are used to it. It's just a different feel.
The hammer bounce thing; Doesn't matter and doesn't affect function, the mainspring is probably a little compressed is all. It's a rebounding firing pin so all it need to do is hit with sufficient force to ignite the primer.
 
Oddly enough I tried Josko's own Tanfoglio gun where I didn't like the DA.
Also, it somehow felt like hammer was bouncing a little when falling down to the firing pin (similar to GP100s), while CZ's hammer just goes down and stays there. Not that it makes any difference and I wonder if that was just because of the heavier firing pin spring which makes hammer to bounce.

Firing pin springs are too heavy on the tanfoglios,...keep the original and really work it in. I prefer heavier and smoother to lighter and scratchy on my triggers. More reliable that way I would say. I have felt a few tan triggers that were light but I could feel all the contact points. A mistake with polishing or smoothing of the plunger head is creating less contact, instead of spreading out the contact point over a flat surface. Nothing will give you better feedback than taking it apart and observing the wear points and points that are getting worn.
I have never tried Josko's DA trigger on his stock2, but something tells me it would be pretty sweet.
 
A mistake with polishing or smoothing of the plunger head is creating less contact, instead of spreading out the contact point over a flat surface. Nothing will give you better feedback than taking it apart and observing the wear points and points that are getting worn.
Yes, and I should note that many guys do not adequately lube their guns and this will alter the feel of a trigger. This is an issue I run into constantly. CZ pattern guns and especially Tanfoglios, benefit from being well lubed. I like Trigger Slick (graphite grease) or some sort of nice gooey grease on all drag surfaces, and the firing pin safety plunger needs to be well oiled or it can bind.
 
Yes, and I should note that many guys do not adequately lube their guns and this will alter the feel of a trigger. This is an issue I run into constantly. CZ pattern guns and especially Tanfoglios, benefit from being well lubed. I like Trigger Slick (graphite grease) or some sort of nice gooey grease on all drag surfaces, and the firing pin safety plunger needs to be well oiled or it can bind.


yep, I use slide glide lite, and polish the firing pin safety spring. Polishing of the block may be needed. If that bind you may get a weird primer strike, or no strike at all:(,....but then it might work it self loose and be ok:).
I have not used oil on my guns unless I am cleaning, actually I use break free on everything when cleaning.
 
As was said above, the two guns are in the same class, but they do have physical differences which might have one more suitable than the other for a particular hand.

Personally I found the stocks (1 and 2) to be big and clunky, compared to the slick CZs, re how they felt in my hand. I found the stocks move less with the ammo I was using (I don't reload), but if you make your own ammo, you could make it to fit the CZ. There are more competition approved after market parts for the CZ, to customize the internals (now I've been out of the loop for about a year, that might have changed, I'm sure someone can correct me).

Bottom line: choosing one over the other won't move your scores to another class, one just might be more comfortable/natural to hold and shoot then the other, but no one can tell you which one - you can only learn that yourself, by at least holding and ideally shooting both, side by side.

Just to show you how much personal preferences matter, I shoot best with a stock baby eagle :) , having owned CZs and tanfoglios in the past...
 
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