The "real deal" in Haiti

I have no prob. with that my friend, my concern is that the canadian gouvernement was able to put 25 million RIGHT ON THE SPOT to help them, they also accept to help and pay for the refuge when they come in canada, and I let you do the math for the air plane, the military, the firefighter, the police that go there NOW…. BUT
In MY town, right across the street, and in a LOT of canadian town, there is BREAKFEST CLUB for the poor kid’s that can’t EVEN BREAKFEST before going to school, I give my OWN money weekly to help them, as other local worker are doing too, I even work there some time ON MY TIME, FOR FREE, giving breakfest to the kid’s, the community PAY FOR IT TOO because the governement REFUSE TO PAY, SUPPORT AND HELP for that…
Why they don’t help the kid’s that have grown HERE before the other kid’s ???
I i’am REALLY NOT racist, I’am not talking about homeless that what to stay in the street, but our OWN kid’s that SHOULD BE OUR FUTURE but can't even have 4$ from the gouvernement for a good meal on the morning before going to school… That’s my concern…

So you want to see a program that eliminates (bans) homelessness and hunger? What would that program look like? How do you enforce it when a majority of the homeless choose to be homeless? It's like banning crime lol. Good luck on that. There is always an effort to house and feed the homeless, the need however will always be greater than the offer......because we should not encourage homelessness.

Let them find peace and prosperity in their own country and let there be a way for them to come here to prosper as well.
 
I have no prob. with that my friend, my concern is that the canadian gouvernement was able to put 25 million RIGHT ON THE SPOT to help them, they also accept to help and pay for the refuge when they come in canada, and I let you do the math for the air plane, the military, the firefighter, the police that go there NOW…. BUT
In MY town, right across the street, and in a LOT of canadian town, there is BREAKFEST CLUB for the poor kid’s that can’t EVEN BREAKFEST before going to school, I give my OWN money weekly to help them, as other local worker are doing too, I even work there some time ON MY TIME, FOR FREE, giving breakfest to the kid’s, the community PAY FOR IT TOO because the governement REFUSE TO PAY, SUPPORT AND HELP for that…
Why they don’t help the kid’s that have grown HERE before the other kid’s ???
I i’am REALLY NOT racist, I’am not talking about homeless that what to stay in the street, but our OWN kid’s that SHOULD BE OUR FUTURE but can't even have 4$ from the gouvernement for a good meal on the morning before going to school… That’s my concern…

+1 for this, where's the money for THESE programs at HOME?

Also, do you have any info on how I could send a small donation to your Breakfast Club? THAT is a worthwhile charity, in my opinion - these kids haven't done anything wrong, aren't addicted to anything, haven't been to jail, and are being fed a wholesome breakfast before they go to school and get a proper education.

I'd send $10 there to buy a few loaves of bread and some butter for morning toast before I'd send a single penny to a Haitian.

-M
 
I have no prob. with that my friend, my concern is that the canadian gouvernement was able to put 25 million RIGHT ON THE SPOT to help them, they also accept to help and pay for the refuge when they come in canada, and I let you do the math for the air plane, the military, the firefighter, the police that go there NOW…. BUT
In MY town, right across the street, and in a LOT of canadian town, there is BREAKFEST CLUB for the poor kid’s that can’t EVEN BREAKFEST before going to school, I give my OWN money weekly to help them, as other local worker are doing too, I even work there some time ON MY TIME, FOR FREE, giving breakfest to the kid’s, the community PAY FOR IT TOO because the governement REFUSE TO PAY, SUPPORT AND HELP for that…
Why they don’t help the kid’s that have grown HERE before the other kid’s ???
I i’am REALLY NOT racist, I’am not talking about homeless that what to stay in the street, but our OWN kid’s that SHOULD BE OUR FUTURE but can't even have 4$ from the gouvernement for a good meal on the morning before going to school… That’s my concern…

I see that you are a compassionate man. All your effort and time in assisting those in need is...........I can't say enough good things about that. Money, it's about money? No it is not about money at all. Underlying social problems are the cause of all this. The government should not and could not possibly pay for these things. 25M is a drop in the bucket. It might sound like a lot to your local needs....but there are needs all across this country. If the government were to get in the business of housing and feeding people........more, and more and more and more people would be expecting this. The incentive for people to do anything for themselves would diminish. Why work? Why perform at work? What we need is more people like you to help....not the government. We need parents who are excellent role models for their children and are responsible for their children.
 
I have to ask myself if they would help us if the situation was reversed. I don't think so. The solution to poverty is men not fathering children they have no means or intent to support.

I was in the Dominican 2 years ago. Traveled the countryside and talked to the locals. They were mad at the current president because after 4 years they all didn't have a better standard of living. By all accounts of those that were educated he had done a lot of good in that short time. The ditches were full of garbage off the resort. People lived in shacks. Everywhere you looked people leaning on things. Thats the shiney side of the island. Honestly I don't think they can be helped and I'll never return.
 
Haiti was the most squalid place I've ever seen-and that includes some pretty miserable places in Africa and the Middle East. I remember walking out of the hotel for dinner (some pretty good French and Creole cuisine at the time) and having the kids swarm you like fkies on shiiite. You picked the biggest,strongest one and paid him to walk with you and beat the other ones off and then wait outside the restaurant and do the same thing on the return trip. I've never had to do that before or since. ### tourism was pretty evident as well with a good representation of dirty old men and women from Quebec who took the opportunity to debauch themselves with the young people.
Altho the country has been independant for 200 yrs,it remains 3rd world in terms of all social/development indicators. Like most of the 3rd world countries the main reason is exploitation and greed by it's own dictators/despots/privileged class who hive off all the wealth for their own benefit and return next to nothing in terms of education,economic development and public services,institutions or infrastructure. The Haiian expatriate community in the US, France,and Canada(Quebec) is pretty much composed of these people who took their wealth out of the country. These people were ensconced in the wealthy suburb of Petionville in the hills overlooking Port au Prince. From news reports it has been demolished on the same scale as the main city. The now destroyed presidential palace offered a remarkable contrast between poverty and privilege as it glowed like a white pearl in a pile of poop.
Massive foreign aid will not alter the basic situation. that is up to the Haitians themselves.
Back to the weaponry. In addition to M1 Garands,I do recall seeing some M1903 Springfields in the hands of the gendarmerie.
 
Good thing the World never thought of helping Haiti until now! The miserable state of affairs there is, of course, the result of lack of government preparation for disasters (lack of government), no building codes and standards (hence collapsing buildings, left and right), and truth being told, lack of a real policy (US mainly) in regards to the misery and hunger in Haiti. Haiti ceased being a country long before the eartquake and no matter how much aid we send, it will probably remain the same. Solution: World-wide committment to rebuild, not only US, Canadian and maybe French! UN should have the funds to do it, after all it is being run by oil rich despots and other rich despots from Africa, South America, and the Middle East! The sad thing is that in the process, the poor Haitians suffer and there is no relief in sight, the aid being sent is more like a BandAid.
 
:agree:

We have our own problems that should be fixed before bothering with other nations problems (IMO).


Yep, until our local emergency room is open 7 days a week, instead of the 3 or 4 days we have now due to cost and a lack of doctors, I don't see that we can afford to "help" anyone else.
 
More on Haiti

Disgusting War Criminals Peddle “Humanitarian” Aid for Haiti

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
January 17, 2010
On Sunday, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush mounted the corporate media propaganda platform and complained about the politicization of the Haitian relief effort.


It is an “odd choice” that these two war criminals were picked to dispense aid to Haiti.
Clinton said the devastating earthquake offers a chance to put aside politics and help people in despair. “I’d say now is not the time to focus on politics,” said Bush in an interview taped Saturday for CBS’ “Face the Nation” when the ex-presidents’ visited the White House in response to Obama’s call for a “bipartisan effort” to help Haiti.
Clinton and Bush were responding to Rush Limbaugh who said he did not trust the administration to use money donated via the White House website for earthquake victims.
The disaster “reminds us of our common humanity. It reminds us of needs that go beyond fleeting disagreements,” said Clinton.
Fine words coming from one of the world’s foremost war criminals. Not only did Bill Clinton terror bomb to death an untold number of people in Iraq and the former Yugoslavia, he also facilitated death squads in Colombia. He is responsible for bombing a crucial pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan. He helped the United Nations kill 500,000 Iraqi children. Bill Clinton’s favorite targets were the sort of poor people he is now claiming to help in Haiti.
Bush the humanitarian who decries the politicization of the Haiti relief effort killed over a million people in Iraq. His crimes approach those of Hitler and the Nazis. Bush is responsible for Abu Ghraib, the destruction of Fallouja and Ramadi, civilian massacres in Haditha and elsewhere. On his watch, over a million Iraqis were butchered and an undetermined number of Afghan civilians were slaughtered. He began a concerted effort to kill Pakistanis, an effort picked up by Obama.
Like father, like son. George built on the legacy of his father. Bush Senior invaded Iraq in 1991 under false pretense and carried out the destruction of Iraq’s civilian infrastructure, at one time the envy of the Middle East. “One of the most diabolical decisions in the campaign was to destroy Iraq’s water supply, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children long after the war was over,” writes David Model (Lying for Empire: How to Commit War Crimes With A Straight Face).
If you really want to know what’s going on in Haiti, read John Maxwell’s article, No, Mister! You Cannot Share My Pain! The corporate media sheds crocodile tears over Haiti (between bank and big pharma adverts) and tells us about the country’s immeasurable poverty while providing zero background on why Haiti is a hell-hole of misery and destitution.
Credit for this massive suffering can be attributed to the bankers (specifically National City Bank, later Rockefeller’s Citibank). As late as 1915, more than a hundred years after a successful slave revolt against the French colonialists and slave masters, some 80 percent of the Haitian government’s resources were being paid out in debt service to French and American banks on loans that had been made to enable Haiti to pay reparations to France.
The U.S. invaded and occupied Haiti early in the last century. In addition to killing 15,000 Haitians, the U.S. imposed a $16 million loan on the Haitian government to pay off its “debt” (blackmail) to France. “The American loan was finally paid off in 1947. Haiti was left virtually bankrupt, its workforce in desperate straits,” writes Randall Robinson (An Unbroken Agony: Haiti, from Revolution to the Kidnapping of a President). “The Haitian economy has never recovered from the financial havoc France (and America) wreaked upon it, during and after slavery.”

In the 1990s, when Haiti attempted to address its staggering poverty, the U.S. sent in 20,000 troops and “peacekeepers” to ensure political continuity and adherence to IMF diktats. The Haitian armed forces were disbanded and the U.S. State Department hired the mercenary company DynCorp (a documented CIA cut-out for covert operations) to provide “technical advice” in restructuring the Haitian National Police.
During this period, Haiti’s GDP declined by 30 percent and the per capita income of the average Haitian fell to $250 per annum, making Haiti the poorest country in the Western hemisphere and among the poorest in the world. A 2000 US Congressional Report estimated Haitian unemployment to be as high as 80 percent, due in large part to the IMF’s “stabilization” and “recovery” programs (see Michel Chossudovsky, The Destabilization of Haiti).
Bush’s call for aid is especially pernicious considering he orchestrated — with the help of the Chirac government in Paris — the violent overthrow and forced exile of Haiti’s president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. “International military forces, including US forces, will be rapidly arriving in Haiti to begin to restore a sense of security,” said U.S. ambassador James Foley in response to violence engineered by the CIA and its death squad clients who invaded the country from the neighboring Dominican Republic.
Bush had Aristide kidnapped by the U.S. military and removed to Africa. In response, Scott McClellan said: “It’s nonsense, and conspiracy theories do nothing to help the Haitian people move forward to a better more free, more prosperous future.”
Once again, like father like son. Bush the Lesser followed in his father’s footsteps. After the people of Haiti rejected a U.S.-supported political candidate and elected Aristide in 1990, Bush the Senior made sure Haiti’s US-trained military deposed him.
Now we have to stomach these two NWO goons parading across our television screens and watch as they paint themselves as saviors. Clinton and Bush are the twin faces of evil and represent the very embodiment of mass murder, starvation, and untold suffering inflicted on the weak and helpless by their masters on Wall Street.
The corporate media characterizes Haiti as a “failed state.” It is a failure thanks to the banksters and their schemes to loot and pillage not only Haiti, but the entire world.
But you won’t hear that on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News.
 
Stop pretending we can save the world. Canada is not a superpower or world police. Look after our own problems and let others worry about theirs. Everyone has to learn to stand on his own feet or die trying, Haiti included.
 
See, this is why I don't give a good god-damn about the Haitian issue right now - because survivors are stealing PLAYING CARDS from a LITTLE KID. If they were stealing food, or stealing water, then I'd say there's some hope there... but this place was like that BEFORE the quake, and it will be like that AFTER.

Festering bunghole of the Caribbean, IMO. Not a cent of my personal money will go to any of those idiots.

-M

Oh I see, the good shall suffer the fate of the fools. :kickInTheNuts:

Nobody is denying the place is a hole, but you don't s**t on the entire populace just because a percentage of them are scum, sure as hell not kids that didn't chose to be born into such conditions.

Wow, I am surprised that there are so many idiots on this site. I am all for donating/helping at home but you cannot even begin to compare what has happened in Haiti to ANY conditions the poor or homeless find themselves in here. We have a massive social network and typically if you are a poor, homeless, jobless person here it has more likely been due to your own choices or actions not to the country/situation you were born into.
 
I agree , people have to want to help themselves and it seems like they just want us to come in and "save" them.

Lots of people want to help themselves but DO NOT have the social network we enjoy in Canada. One hell of a difference.

When was the last time we had a massive disaster, plague, been led my a militant etc?

You guys aren't wrong to want to help at home, but the comparisons you are making and statments just defy belief.
 
You're DAMN right.

A nation that's done nothing to help itself in the past 50 years, and whose people show no interest in raising themselves out of the mudhole they're in... well, my money's better spent helping teach a little CANADIAN-BORN child to read in CANADA where they might grow up properly and become of some benefit to the world.

-M

What do you suggest they do? It's like being stuck in quicksand alone, either somebody not in the sh*t reaches out to pull you out or under you go.

Again, no reasonable comparison to conditions here at their WORST can compare to the standard conditions in many other countries.
 
What do you suggest they do? It's like being stuck in quicksand alone, either somebody not in the sh*t reaches out to pull you out or under you go.
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That's how armed revolutions were started throughout history. Some failed but just as many were successful. Haiti's problem did not begin last week. Question is: are the locals willing to pay the price required in order to free themselves? I think you have the answer when it comes to Haiti.
 
That's how armed revolutions were started throughout history. Some failed but just as many were successful. Haiti's problem did not begin last week. Question is: are the locals willing to pay the price required in order to free themselves? I think you have the answer when it comes to Haiti.

What purpose would an armed revolt be in Haiti? Take over what exactly, the non-existent infrastructure? What would they be armed with? What provisions would see them through said revolt?

Haiti has had 200 years of problems, that goes without saying, but a revolt needs something to revolt against and a sustainable goal in mind.
 
How did Castro come to power? Or the Sandinista in Nicaragua? They all started with little other than a strong will to fight social injustice against overwhelming odds. And there are plenty of that in Haiti.

Will things be any better if the revolution eventually succeed in Haiti? Who is to know. But it won't be any more worse.
 
The Haitians don't need foreign aid, they need to start being responsible for themselves and make something out of the ####pile they have right now.

They're surrounded by a bountiful ocean, and they have a warm growing season - start with that. Or, be a bunch of criminal underintelligent thugs. You know, whatever.

-M
 
The Haitians don't need foreign aid, they need to start being responsible for themselves and make something out of the s**tpile they have right now.

They're surrounded by a bountiful ocean, and they have a warm growing season - start with that. Or, be a bunch of criminal underintelligent thugs. You know, whatever.

-M
There must be an industry that makes money off of other people's poverty. Support agencies comes to mind.

In Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, it has been reported in the media that $ 1 million dollars of government aid is spent there on a daily basis given the 100 plus "social service support agencies, aka non profit societies" that exist to help the drug addicts and mentally ill that are homeless or living in shelters in the area. Yet after all these years, these same addicts and mentally ill are still there without much improvement in their lives....similar to the situation in Haiti albeit on a much smaller scale (despite years of monetary assistance coming in from the rest of the world). Does make me think what is really going on behind the scenes....:rolleyes:
 
So from I read on this post I can see that I'm not the only one that doesn't agree with Rev. Peterson when he said that the only reason Haiti is the way it is, is because they made a deal with the devil to get the french out. Now they are still being punished by the devil.
Eric
 
The devil was the french... And others before them. Filling their pockets and building their personal caribean paradise.... On the backs of blacks , brought from africa.
One day the slaves revolted and booted out the french.... And the french govt made them pay restitution.
Maybe france should return all that money.
Maybe france should be held accountable for displacing those slaves and effectively causing the haiti of today (pre earthquake)
Bottom line is that haitians are part of humanity, and I won't sit back and watch humanity suffer without doing anything.
My neighbor lost her brother in the quake, I watched the news and I wept.
If you were my neighbor... And I hated you... I'd still run into your burning house if I thought your life could be spared. And so it is with Haiti
 
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