Is it possible to get a Norinco M-14 class rifle to fire 1 MOA at 100yards, if so what would be the major parts required to make it work? Obviously it will need a match barrel and ammunition, but what other mods are required to make it an equivalent to the U.S. M-14 designated marksman rifle, and where can I find the parts? Or does Springfield make an out of the box equivalent of this rifle to save me finding a gunsmith.
1 MOA from a Norinco M-14? is it possable?
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manbearpig
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if money was no object i suppose you could. seems like a pointless waste though - if you want benchrest groups get a bolt action.
otherwise just enjoy the M1A for what it is and dont buy into the internet bull#### that unless a rifle is sub-MOA its garbage.
otherwise just enjoy the M1A for what it is and dont buy into the internet bull#### that unless a rifle is sub-MOA its garbage.
1 - this does not belong in "Precision Rifles," it belongs in "Main Battle Rifles."
2 - Yes, it's more than possible - and has, as mentioned above, been discussed to death in the Main Battle Rifles section.
3 - Further to the MBR section, check out Mystic Precision's website (banner above) and check out their tips for precision reloading for the M1A/M14s style rifles.
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2 - Yes, it's more than possible - and has, as mentioned above, been discussed to death in the Main Battle Rifles section.
3 - Further to the MBR section, check out Mystic Precision's website (banner above) and check out their tips for precision reloading for the M1A/M14s style rifles.
-M
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Yes, it can or pretty darn close.
Gas cylinder shimming, bedding, trigger tuning, optics and proper handloads.
Jerry
Gas cylinder shimming, bedding, trigger tuning, optics and proper handloads.
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Oh great, now I need to do this. How can I get ahold of hungry?
First of all! I damm near fell off my seat in shock that the word "Norinco" was even mentioned in the Precision Rifles fourm!
Secondly,
Can't wait! & Thanx Obtunded for providing this service for us.
Secondly,
How much longer tell I get my custom order Kreiger M14 in...
Can't wait! & Thanx Obtunded for providing this service for us.
Stop eating.
Starscream
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It's doable, not necessarily expensive to do so either. But it will chew up a good deal of your time ordering and getting some parts, tuning, and finding the best load for it.
Northman999
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My Norc does it with no more than the basic extras. Seems like there's some variablity in them and some guys get quite good ones.
Honestly, if you want a tight shooter buy yourself a Savage FP10 or a Sako TRG or an M700 Police or a Win M70 Stealth (FN USA makes 'em once again....) or a CZ550 Kevlar or a HS Precision yada yada yada.
Now if you want a super inexpensive (at first heh, heh, heh) semi auto that's not restricted to take hunting, then the M14 Norinco/Poly is your best bet... then like Mysticplayer sez... with some careful tweaking and match bullet handloading, you CAN get it under an inch.
This past fall, I delivered an M14 clinic to several armorers at an (Op Security) un-named police force facility. The armorers tweaked their Norinco M14's to shoot into half an inch. Yes, I saw their 5 round groups and I was impressed what these master craftsmen can do. I will say no more!
So is it worth pumping a lot of money (Match barrels, USGI components, scope mounts, optics) into this platform? Likely not for most of you out there. Leave all that high zoot, USGI parts, and match barrels for M14 geeks like me! ha ha ha LOL
Hope this helps....
Barney
Now if you want a super inexpensive (at first heh, heh, heh) semi auto that's not restricted
to take hunting, then the M14 Norinco/Poly is your best bet... then like Mysticplayer sez... with some careful tweaking and match bullet handloading, you CAN get it under an inch. This past fall, I delivered an M14 clinic to several armorers at an (Op Security) un-named police force facility. The armorers tweaked their Norinco M14's to shoot into half an inch. Yes, I saw their 5 round groups and I was impressed what these master craftsmen can do. I will say no more!
So is it worth pumping a lot of money (Match barrels, USGI components, scope mounts, optics) into this platform? Likely not for most of you out there. Leave all that high zoot, USGI parts, and match barrels for M14 geeks like me! ha ha ha LOL
Hope this helps....
Barney
I've had alot of fun tweaking my norinco m14s and I truly beleive it was worth every penny. The most expensive upgrade was the scope mount (@200$), followed by the fiberglass stock (@125$), which has then been submitted to 4 different sets of paint, 2 bedding jobs, 1 popsicle warfare mod, 1 selector cutout filling
Great project gun to learn the basics of rifles tuning. I did my first bedding job on this rifle and it turned out GREAT!
Now can I do MOA? It rarely happens, but it does, once in a while.
Great project gun to learn the basics of rifles tuning. I did my first bedding job on this rifle and it turned out GREAT!
Now can I do MOA? It rarely happens, but it does, once in a while.
bingo, and I would say that 2MOA is a stretch for most M14s, Norinco or otherwise. I would even say that a true 2MOA rifle is a good rifle assuming that it is not meant to be shot bench rested, as the M14 was not. There are exceptions though of course.
One of the problems here is that many get a small number of rounds close together, and call that a small MOA group. Some even go as far as discounting all other rounds as fliers. Often completely out of consideration is the accuracy of the rifle. After all, since we are discounting fliers, who cares where the small precise group is relative to the point of aim right?
The problem is detailed here quite well IMO:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=279218
Now, I am not saying that anyone above, or otherwise, has done any of this. I know many of the shooters above are very good. I am just saying that taking a M305 out of the cosmo, making it ring like a tuning fork, and expecting long term, true sub MOA from it is a fantasy IMO. Some do get rich playing Powerball as well though. If you do get rich, I'd love to see 30 rnds through it.
Well a lot of this info has been very helpful, thanks. However Id still like further elaboration on what needs to be done inside the rifles action parts wise, and where I can find a direct source for parts or a complete accurized rifle.
I already know how to do most of this stuff to a bolt action, however the workings of a semiauto are a little more complex, and still a bit of a mystery to me. so if anyone can shed some light on what I need to do to the inner workings, it would be helpful.
As for the claims of sub MOA out of the box rifles, I really dont know what to say, other than I have never heard of a 1/2 MOA semiauto rifle yet in existence. most that are affordable are around 1 MOA give or take, and tend to hit where you aimed at 100 yards and do it repetedly. If it was so easy to get a semi auto to shoot a reliable 1/2 MOA there would be no bolt action sniper rifles in police or military service anymore.
Furthermore only 11% of snipers actually can take full advantage of a 1/2 MOA rifle, its basically more accurate than it needs to be, or than can be exploited by most skilled marksmen. The competition world record 5 shot group is 4.5 inches -just under 1/2 MOA- center mass at 1000 yards with a bolt action Mcmillan.50 cal, and it was fully sandbagged into place, the shooter needed only pull the trigger. furthermore the current U.S army Designated marksman rifle, the M-14 based 'M-39 EMR' shoots just under 1-MOA and its fully tooled up. so theres no way an out of the box Norinco is going to pull sub MOA groups without some work. basically 1/2 MOA rifles are just a means of improving the odds of a cold boar shot hitting somewhere where you want it to at extreme ranges, up to, or significantly greater than 1000 yards.
Just the facts jack, thats all I need.
I already know how to do most of this stuff to a bolt action, however the workings of a semiauto are a little more complex, and still a bit of a mystery to me. so if anyone can shed some light on what I need to do to the inner workings, it would be helpful.
As for the claims of sub MOA out of the box rifles, I really dont know what to say, other than I have never heard of a 1/2 MOA semiauto rifle yet in existence. most that are affordable are around 1 MOA give or take, and tend to hit where you aimed at 100 yards and do it repetedly. If it was so easy to get a semi auto to shoot a reliable 1/2 MOA there would be no bolt action sniper rifles in police or military service anymore.
Furthermore only 11% of snipers actually can take full advantage of a 1/2 MOA rifle, its basically more accurate than it needs to be, or than can be exploited by most skilled marksmen. The competition world record 5 shot group is 4.5 inches -just under 1/2 MOA- center mass at 1000 yards with a bolt action Mcmillan.50 cal, and it was fully sandbagged into place, the shooter needed only pull the trigger. furthermore the current U.S army Designated marksman rifle, the M-14 based 'M-39 EMR' shoots just under 1-MOA and its fully tooled up. so theres no way an out of the box Norinco is going to pull sub MOA groups without some work. basically 1/2 MOA rifles are just a means of improving the odds of a cold boar shot hitting somewhere where you want it to at extreme ranges, up to, or significantly greater than 1000 yards.
Just the facts jack, thats all I need.
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