mosin nagant vs lee enfield

bigedp51 said:
I still prefer the Enfield above those Commie Red “Noisy Maggots".

Collection Score:
Enfield's 8
Mosin’s 4

Below, friends “hanging” out together :rolleyes: Mosin #1 is a type 53 bring back ;)

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No wonder people get charged with unsafe storage, you need trigger locks if they are not in the safe or remove the bolts and put those in the safe. No offense meant,


Mosin all the way and my favourite the SVT-40 uses the same ammo, any semis in 303?
 
Not really. A non restricted firearm must simply be kept unloaded, and not within easy access to ammo. I dont see any ammo
 
scianna54 said:
No wonder people get charged with unsafe storage, you need trigger locks if they are not in the safe or remove the bolts and put those in the safe. No offense meant,
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:D It looks like they are in the 'gun room'

many of my rifles are stored in similar conditions. The restricted ones are the onlyones with trigger locks and inside a seperate lockup :D
 
ArtyMan said:
Not really. A non restricted firearm must simply be kept unloaded, and not within easy access to ammo. I dont see any ammo
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When did you do your PAL course? Some freshen up may be recommended.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Storing Firearms Safely
Unload and lock your firearms!
Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearm.
Non-restricted firearms
Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or
Lock the firearms in a container or room that is hard to break into.
An unloaded non-restricted firearm can be kept unlocked:

temporarily if it is needed to control animal predators in an area where a firearm can lawfully be fired (ammunition must be kept separate or locked up); or
in a remote wilderness area (ammunition may be kept readily accessible).
 
I personally own a No.5 Mk.I and a M-38 Mosin Nagant. Of the two, I prefer the No.5, as it shoots well for me, and I enjoy half-cocking the action for a safety if required, with a round chambered and half cocked, it helps give a nice jump on deer or other game if you can muffle the dull "click" of the knob going back. The side safety is just as good. For range fun, I love my Mosin(s) the have a truly "hardcore" feel to them, breathing massive flames and smacking you with quite a punch of power. For which to choose, I would always say, go with your intended use. For the range, what gives you the most pleasure for the least cost, which would be the Mosin. For hunting, what gives you the farthest accurate hit that you can obtain, and most importantly for bush-pushing, what is light and uncumbersome and can take some banging about? I would vote both with a slight Mosin inclination. My two cents.
 
I have both a Lee No4 MK1 and a MN M44.
Both shoot well.
Both are very capable of taking most North American game.
I would give the MN the edge on power. It does have a healthier recoil than the Lee. The Lee's peep sights are better than the MNs open sights but out to 100 yards they are comparable.
The MN trigger has a heavier pull than the Lee but that may not be a disadvantage.

The availability of ammo may be regionally challenging. I am fortunate to be able to find sufficient quantities of both and also reload.

You can take 7.62x54R milsurp rounds and remove the FMJ, find a similar weight .308 projectile and it will work as a hunting round. The accuracy and point of impact don't seem to change that much.

It will come down to how much you want to spend. I agree with other posters in that the cost of a comparable Lee will be much higher than the MN.

In my opinion, buy both, shoot both, be twice as happy at the end of the day.
 
I own both a 1 mk III and about 8 Mosins I prefere the Mosins more knock down power and with a good eye just as good a shooter as a Lee Enfield.
 
Couple of points.....

The MN has never been demonstrated at 67 rounds per minute top rate of fire, 37 rounds per minute aimed fire. The Lee-Enfield HAS, lots and lots of times.

I would not want to try the Mad Minute with a Moisin-Nagant. I have done it with a SMLE I*** (yes, that is correct) as well as with several other Lee variants.

The Lee has half a dozen different lengths of butt. The rifle was supposed to be fitted to the man using it. That's why they had the different lengths: not just to give us something to natter about.

The Lee should never have a creepy trigger or rough trigger. There's no excuse. Spend $2 on a decent stone and DO the JOB.

It is easy to get 2 MOA out of either rifle. It is much easier to get 1 MOA out of a decent Lee than it is a decent MN.

MN tolerates boat-tailed bullets better: different rifling system entirely. The Lee prefers flat-based bullets because of the deep Enfield rifling with 5 grooves: land and groove opposing makes greater demands on bullet plasticity.

The worst bedding problem with any Lee is The Damned Crack. Fix that and your rifle will show you what it was built for. This climate is very hard on wood that was cured in a semi-damp marine-type climare, as was the wood for all ten million Lees. Here, it dries out. You can do miracles with half a buck's worth of Acra-Glas. I have several Lee rifles that shoot a little over the 1 MOA any time you want to try them, a couple that will shoot under it.

Now, somebody flame me on this one!
 
smellie said:
It is easy to get 2 MOA out of either rifle. It is much easier to get 1 MOA out of a decent Lee than it is a decent MN.

The worst bedding problem with any Lee is The Damned Crack. Fix that and your rifle will show you what it was built for. This climate is very hard on wood that was cured in a semi-damp marine-type climare, as was the wood for all ten million Lees. Here, it dries out. You can do miracles with half a buck's worth of Acra-Glas. I have several Lee rifles that shoot a little over the 1 MOA any time you want to try them, a couple that will shoot under it.

Now, somebody flame me on this one!
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I guess it comes down to what your used to accuracy wise. I have fired far more x54R then .303 and as such my marksmanship (or lack thereof) shows this.

In regards to the Acra-Glas, what is this and how does it work? Im getting desprate to fix this No4!!
 
scianna54 said:
When did you do your PAL course? Some freshen up may be recommended.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Storing Firearms Safely
Unload and lock your firearms!
Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearm.
Non-restricted firearms
Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or
Lock the firearms in a container or room that is hard to break into.
An unloaded non-restricted firearm can be kept unlocked:

temporarily if it is needed to control animal predators in an area where a firearm can lawfully be fired (ammunition must be kept separate or locked up); or
in a remote wilderness area (ammunition may be kept readily accessible).
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I stand corrected, thanks!
 
hansol said:
Said gentleman is in the US. Different rules...
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I can't imagine trying to sell the BS we put up with in the US, come to think of it, it might even be bad for a person's health :eek: Try not to be hard on the folks from civilized countries, guys (no matter how jealous you get) - they're used to being treated as adults.
 
bigedp51 said:
1. The Lee Enfield has a “EASY” to use safety that doesn’t allow any Deer, Moose or Tyrannosaurus Rex’s to get away while your frozen fingers fiddle with a Mosin safety.
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The safety on the Mosin is just for storage in the armoury, Russians didn't need safeties on their guns back then as they generally knew what happened when you squeeze a trigger. :D

bigedp51 said:
2. The No.4 Enfield has peep or aperture sights which makes it twice as accurate.
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Handy but not necessary. :)

bigedp51 said:
3. A 60 year old person with chronological gifted eyesight can “actually” see the No.4 Enfield’s sights.
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Face it at some point even that isn't going to help that much. :D

bigedp51 said:
4. The Lee Enfield trigger can be adjusted to be slicker than snot on a door knob.
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Pick up a Finish Mosin someday if you want to see an action and trigger slicker then whale poop through an ice flow. :)

bigedp51 said:
5. Only Commie Pinko Perverts prefer the Mosin over the British and Commonwealth Lee Enfield rifle.
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Does this include the New England Westinghouse and Remington Mosin Nagants? :rolleyes:

bigedp51 said:
6. “Longbranch” has a more male virility sounding name than “Mosin Nagant” which sounds more like a European social disease contracted in a bordello.
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Sounds like your compensating for something. :D

bigedp51 said:
7. If you need to ask this question in a Canadian gun forum you should immigrate to Russia and eat rotten boiled cabbage every day.
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Most of the people in the Canadian prairies grew up on boiled cabbage so you might want to rethink your statement. :cool:

bigedp51 said:
8. And if you buy a Mosin you will be kicked out of Possum Lodge and have to give up duck tape for the rest of your life.
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With the money I saved on buying Mosins I now own Possum lodge, btw your rent is due the first of the month. :D

Finally one key difference in the Mosin that the Enfield lacks that makes the Mosin better IMHO...a cartridge cut-off device.
Instead the Enfileds rely on loading the chargers...staggered just the right way. Silly pommies. :D
 
Comes down to what you're comfortable with and experienced with: what you "believe in".

I was just handling a long MN, Finn capture, great long ungainly thing with a forend like a pencil, no handguards - keeps your fingers warm I guess! LOL

The bolt? Oh, jeese, what a clunker. If you love #### on opening, well "enjoy" is all I can say. It makes no mechanical sense, but again, it's like talking to a religious fanatic so I won't argue about it.

5 round mag? Just a pain. How do you clean the sand out of that Ivan? (Same with the bolt lug recesses.)

Cocking piece? Not quite as bad as an Arisaka I guess.

Half ####? Nope

Safety you dont' have to take your hand off to use? Nope.

Peep sight? Nope

Adjustable stock length? Nope

Adjust headspace without rebarreling? Nope

Bayonet? Oh jeese, let's go storm the Bastille! LOL

I'd rather have a Ross MkIII anyday.

For those who have problems with their Lee Enfields, remember Bubba has been working on them for 40 to 80 years now. We'll see how the MN's are doing in another 30 or 40 years. I agree the trigger on the guard was not a good idea, but they managed to keep a few million of em working for 60 odd years. It's not that hard: read up a little bit if you're going to be your own armourer.

Artyman I'll swap you a MN for that No4 and let's see what I can do for the No4's accuracy in a half an hour.

(And by the way, I have a high regard for Soviet weapons design. The MN isn't one of theirs)
 
haha the rifle is long gone! Id sure like to see some pics of that Mosin though. By no hand guards do you mean no upper forstock? as in REALLY early Mosin? (pre 1909 - I think)
 
1936 Tula hex receiver, force-matched bolt it was.

No handguards between the receiver and the front of the backsight, so keep your fingers in the grooves Ivan!

And that take-it-apart-yourself bolt? Good grief, the machining on that thing! The Germans didn't have a monoply on wasted efforts. The design is just plain weird; trying to get around patents maybe?

The bright finish all over the bolt is a great idea too if you like shiny things and oiling them in the bottom of a trench.

To each their own!
 
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