.308, 00 buck, or slug for grizzly?!

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would you be confident using a 180 gr .308 to drop a grizzly?

what about a 3" 00 buck or a high velocity slug in a 12ga?

its for camping. one in a billion chance of needing it and it probably wouldnt even be handy at the time, but if it ever happened i would be kicking myself in the rear for not having one with.
 
Range would be a factor.
At close range the slug would be best.

To shot a bear out of season it must be a threat, and close to you.
The.308 may give the impresion of hunting
 
i'D TAKE A RIFLE ANYDAY OVER A SHOTGUN i KNOW i'VE BEEN CHARGED BEFORE AT THAT POINT THE BEAR IS DEAD WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE THINKS ITS YOU OR THE BEAR PERIOD
 
As the saying goes, "any port in a storm."

But if one was choosing a firearm specifically for grizzly defense (and let's not even debate how (un)likely that is), neither a .308 Win or a 12 gauge is what I would want in my hands. Nothing you can throw out of a shotgun is really designed to hold together and penetrate large, tough critters -- let's face it, buckshot/slugs are designed for lighter big game. Again, if that's all you have, that's what you use -- but not what you choose.

Can a .308 Win drop a grizzly humanely in a hunting situation? Sure it can, although it wouldn't be my first choice by any means. But a charge situation is very, very different. You have a fast moving, very angry bear hopped up on adrenaline, with the very signficant problem of having a poor shooting angle in that the bear is facing straight on. Your only means of stopping the bear RFN is to either break down critical bone and/or disrupt the CNS. Either way, you want a bullet that's going to penetrate hard and deep, and break through anything it finds in its path. This is not the time to shot soft lead balls at a sloped skull against which they'll want to flatten and/or deflect.

I found it interesting on the one grizzly hunt I did that the guide carried a .416 Rem Mag, which seemed overkill even on a charge. After lengthy discussions in camp, backed up with some actual hunt footage he shared with me in his home, I now quite appreciate the very different scenarios of hunting a bear and stopping one. He didn't carry that .416 trying to look cool or make a ballistics point to anyone -- he carried it as the best solution to what (for him) is a very real problem. As he put it, "I don't care what anyone thinks about my rifle. I just care about going home to my wife and kids after every hunt." Unlike just about all of us, he *has* had to shoot a few grizzlies and brown bears in ugly situations (in this case, add "wounded" to the list of negatives above), and he has learned through experience that you simply cannot hit an angry grizzly too hard.

In retrospect, I think his choice of firearm shows a lot of careful thought -- a 5 lb Ultralight Arms bolt action carbine with a ghost ring peep sight. Yes, it kicks like the Devil himself (being a Gunnut, I just has to shoot it ;)), but it's light and handy enough that he carried it absolutely everywhere -- that rifle was NEVER out of reach. For what he needed it for, it was the right tool.

Well, that's my 2 1/2 cents...
 
Well they reccomend brain or spinal shots for charging dangerous game, so if your confident enough with your aim under pressure i'd go with the .308 as your going to get better penetration otherwise i'd go with 00 3" 12ga you get 15 .33 cal projectiles to shove in his face. My bear protection is an Outlaw with 3" 00 very weildy even inside a tent. it would be pretty hard to swing most .308's inside a tent
 
would you be confident using a 180 gr .308 to drop a grizzly?

what about a 3" 00 buck or a high velocity slug in a 12ga?

its for camping. one in a billion chance of needing it and it probably wouldn't even be handy at the time, but if it ever happened i would be kicking myself in the rear for not having one with.

Keep in mind that many places one camps , firearms must be left in vehicles and secured, unloaded. I'd say bangers and a big old can of pepper spray as a first line of defense. At least you'll have always have those on you when doing other things camping.

Out of the parks, .308 is bear minimum, as is .30-06. Heaviest bullets you can find.

http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/ab/banff/visit/visit19.aspx


IMO and YMMV.
 
Penetration is the issue. I would not trust 00 buck to do more than annoy a big bear. You ever see how much muscle, bone and fat they have??

Give the choices you gave, I would go with a sabot slug.
 
Yeah I've read several articles saying buckshot is pretty useless past 20 feet. I don't want to be that close to a brown or griz. I'd go with the 308 but u are gonna want to practice and get fast at dumping a mag. Don't expect one shot to do the job. I might be tempted to choose slugs in a pump depending on how comftorable I was with a bolt action. And a 2x scope so u can head shot the f er at close range.
 
Keep in mind that many places one camps , firearms must be left in vehicles and secured, unloaded. I'd say bangers and a big old can of pepper spray as a first line of defense. At least you'll have always have those on you when doing other things camping.

Out of the parks, .308 is bear minimum, as is .30-06. Heaviest bullets you can find.

http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/ab/banff/visit/visit19.aspx


IMO and YMMV.

If you are camping like this, you are really at a BYOR (bring your own room) motel.


I would go 308 if these were my only options.
 
You need a 20mm rifle!! Everything else just bounces off!!:D
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World-record grizzly succumbed to a .22

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Bella Twin, an Indian girl, and her friend Dave Auger were hunting grouse near Lesser Slave Lake in northern Alberta. The only gun they had was Bella’s single-shot bolt-action .22 Rimfire rifle. They were walking a cutline that had been made for oil exploration when they saw a large grizzly following the same survey line toward them. If they ran, the bear would probably notice them and might chase, so they quietly sat down on a brush pile and hoped that the bear would pass by without trouble. But the bear came much too close, and when the big boar was only a few yards away, Bella Twin shot him in the side of the head with a .22 Long cartridge. The bear dropped, kicked and then lay still. Taking no chances, Bella went up close and fired all of the cartridges she had, seven or eight .22 Longs, into the bear’s head. That bear, killed in 1953, was the world-record grizzly for several years and is still high in the records today.

Single shot cooey .22 with CB's. I like a challenge.
 
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