Norinco M-14 question

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How is the quality/durability of the Norinco "copies" of the M-14 vs one from Springfield Armoury? I see a lot of them for sale with tons of the stock parts being replaced. Are there problems with the function of the bone stockers? If an original is 100% (with all guns in like condition), how would the Norinco rate (% wise) against the SA? I realise that the Norinco M-14 is real bargain but I don't want a gun that's good and reliable

I'm looking at getting a M-14 and want the best bang for the buck, so to speak.

Thanks a lot. CGN is a great resource for these type of questions.
 
Hey there.

A good friend of mine just got him self a Norinco copie of the M14 and he just loves it. He knows lots about firearms and wouldnt get someting if it wasnt good.
 
Rube.. you have hit on a topic that has been batted back and forth a lot, however I'll give you the 'nutshell' version of the gazillion threads I have read, and my own experience as an owner of a fine 2007 Norinco.

There are noticable difference in the quality of the Norc/Polytech vs. the SA... but mostly in finish. The American made version has Walnut as the basic wood stock while the chinese has something called chu wood. It had less attractive grain, and was typically saturated in oil.. or perhaps was just areally oily wood to begin with. Never the less, even with a lot of sanding down and cleaning up, it doesnt ever come out looking a good, or feeling as good as walnut.

The metal finish on the Springfields is better looking to my eye as well. It's simply a more clean, polished finish.. and it gives the overall impression that more care was paid to the look of the rifle as a whole. And it's true.. it's as if the Chinese couldn't be bothered fussing over the looks too much.

Now.. besides that? I don't know that there is tons of difference. There are upgrade kits. I got a new spring guide (the round ones) and can really tell no difference from the old one when I'm shooting. It made no difference in the accuracy of the rifle either. You will hear tons of talk about the "soft bolts" of the Chinese rifles.. it's a bunch of bull***t. A number of American firms got totally bent about the fact that the chinese were exporting these things into the USA..(they don't anymore..politics) for 1/3 the price of the domestic ones, and smeared the product.. scaring the hell out of everyone with these stories. "well, if you want to take a chance of the thing blowing a hole through your face.. go ahead!".. that type of thing. Headspace issues? yeah, actually there are a lot of flabby tolerances in these rifles.. like they are made for a standard 7.62 cartridge plus a film of mud on top. I bought into all the hype and held my breath the first 100 rounds I fired, thinking the cases were going to rip apart or something.. but you know what? After 2-3000 or so that I've put through it.. I've stopped worrying.

Look around for stories of catastrophic failuresin the Norinco, and you will find NONE. No exploding recievers, no sheared off bolt lugs. Shoot it with confidence.

So to answer your question.. there is nothing wrong with the Norinco, right out of the box, in so much as functionality. It could be prettier sure.. but does that justify 1500$ more money for a Springfield Armoury..(which itself is just a clone.. M1A isn't a real M14) not a fricken chance. Buy the little parts kits if you want, it certainly wont hurt anything, but even the stock parts are good enough.
 
Don't buy one Norc M14.... buy TWO of them!

Seriously now :D You will find that they are fun to tweak and fun to shoot. Even MORE fun to hunt with. And after the hunt, WAYYYyyyy more fun to fondle while watching "Tour of Duty" reruns on History Channel or "Band of Brothers" boxed DVD set! ;)

:cheers:

Barney
 
And after the hunt, WAYYYyyyy more fun to fondle while watching "Tour of Duty" reruns on History Channel or "Band of Brothers" boxed DVD set! ;)

:cheers:

Barney

Ok, good to know I'm not the only one.

I shot a service rifle match last year with one stock out of the box and shot an HPS with hand loads at the 500m deliberate. 50-4 If I remember right. Didn't do as well on the rapid with the mag change though. But fun rifle to shoot.
 
Never the less, even with a lot of sanding down and cleaning up, it doesnt ever come out looking a good, or feeling as good as walnut.

My chu wood Norc from Marstar looks and feels just fine, thank you very much :D:D

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Funny, lately I've seen a lot of springfields in the EE as well.
Other than that,.... I have to agree with Hungry.
 
First off, I want to thank all of you guys for the prompt responses to my post. I was unfamiliar with the Norinco copies of the M-14 and you have alleviated my concerns about getting one. Are the Polytechs the same as the Norincos?

I have an EOTech, what's the best way to mount it to an M-14. I would probably like a bipod also. What would you guys recommend?

Big thanks to all, once again.
 
Hi, I got a Norc 14 (2007 Edition) (Chu wood stock) in late '08. Never had a problem with it, fires very nicely, cycling is solid, i do have a little gas leak but i haven't been able to make it to one of "HUNGRY's" clinics yet so that will remain a tiny problem for now. Make sure to watch the videos on this site and READ everything you can about it, it's all very insightfull and fun. Check out "FabSports" for accesories, if you have an EOtech, they have an exelent tri-rail mount for it. One thing, EVERYONE here will say this is true, you need to make a decision early on when you buy this rifle as to, "SHALL I UPGRADE IT" because if you start down that path, i guarantee you that you WILL drop alot of coin doing so, not because the rifle needs the upgrades, just because it's just so damn fun to end up with a kick-ass rifle with all the trimmings, but it's gona cost you!!!! One more important thing, as much as possible try to use only 165 grain .308 ammo in this rifle. It's just better that way. Don't use 185's, the rifle can take it, but it's just best not too. Anyway look around on this site, there is a crap load of info on these great rifles. Good luck!!




First off, I want to thank all of you guys for the prompt responses to my post. I was unfamiliar with the Norinco copies of the M-14 and you have alleviated my concerns about getting one. Are the Polytechs the same as the Norincos?

I have an EOTech, what's the best way to mount it to an M-14. I would probably like a bipod also. What would you guys recommend?

Big thanks to all, once again.
 
Don't buy one Norc M14.... buy TWO of them!
Barney

Every time there is a question about the Chinese M14, Barney always says "don't buy one, buy two!". I think Barney is on Norinco's payroll in their sales department. Either way, how can you not buy two if the sales pitch is "buy two or your d#$k will fall off". How can you not buy two or more to ensure your privates intact??

Back to the original question, Rubicon, don't get one, get two or you'll regret that. :eek: They are fantastic out of the box and can be made even better with some mods. :dancingbanana: Tons of people shooting them, not one "kaboom" as a result of rifle malfunction....there was as a result of bad handloading. You can search that in this forum.
Happy shooting! :ar15:
 
I think Planetsmasher66 has pretty much covered everything off - I used to own a Marstar 2007 version Norinko M14s with the Chu wood which I replaced with USGI wood. The rifle worked every time and represented really good value. I sold it because I moved into other things but missed having one around so I jumped back in and ordered one of the plastic-stocked 2009 versions.

If you are a real battle-rifle fan (and you have the money to do so) I recommend a M1 Garand over any Poly/Norc M14 but the cost difference is quite a lot and volume users may prefer to put the mileage on the M14 clone rather than add to the likely already high mileage M1.
 
Hey there.

A good friend of mine just got him self a Norinco copie of the M14 and he just loves it. He knows lots about firearms and wouldnt get someting if it wasnt good.

Damn right I did! :D

A lot of guys replace some of the critical components for 'match' grade stuff - things like op rod spring guides, op rods, bolts, etc. but I plan on leaving mine bone stock for a good while. After that, we'll see where the accessorizing takes me... but Hungry's right, don't get one - get TWO.

The great part is that you can swap out parts for USGI equivalents or new 'national match' type stuff, and keep the old parts as a backup in case something goes 'wonky'. Hell, the price of an entire Norinco M14s is less than a BOLT from Springfield, depending on where you buy them...

-M
 
I've worked on a whole lotta these rifles. Many guys leave them stock and have me tune/accurize the bone stock rifles. A great many of those bone stock tuned rifles shoot exceptionally well.
The beauty of the norcs and poly's lies in the fact that usgi M14 and match grade M1A parts/barrels are compatable. So, in my experience, with the right parts.. A norc/poly "Super Match" can be built for MUCH cheaper and shoot as well as the Super Match offerings from springfield
 
Where to buy a M-14

I checked on Marstar, they say they won't be getting any more.....EVER! Any recces for a good place to pick one up. I live in ottawa, but I have no problem with mail order. Besides, if I get it from out west, I don't pay PST!

ps...Can't thank you guys enough!
 
Rube.. There is a joint called Moving Target that is from around where I grew up.. they have the new ones with Composite stocks..(which is a new school way of saying plastic! lol) for cheap. Don't know about shipping. but they have 'em. They can be found by a simple google. Further more.. if you look on he Equiptment Exhange you'll see scads of guys looking to sell. If you can handle used.. try there! Offer 400.00 and see what happens. If I was deperate to fire up funds for an AR assembly.. I would take $400 for mine. they typically have been selling new from about 399.99 +tax in Ontarioto ...500.00 or a bit more out west. So hold out and you can find a good deal.
 
Rube.. There is a joint called Moving Target that is from around where I grew up.. they have the new ones with Composite stocks..(which is a new school way of saying plastic! lol) for cheap. Don't know about shipping. but they have 'em. They can be found by a simple google. Further more.. if you look on he Equiptment Exhange you'll see scads of guys looking to sell. If you can handle used.. try there! Offer 400.00 and see what happens. If I was deperate to fire up funds for an AR assembly.. I would take $400 for mine. they typically have been selling new from about 399.99 +tax in Ontarioto ...500.00 or a bit more out west. So hold out and you can find a good deal.

Yup what he said.
Moving target
Elwood epps
Weimajack (in EE, great comapny/fellow to deal with)
Plus a few others

If I was buyin an unmodified used norc or poly... I would be offering sellers 100 less than NEW retail. For some reason, even though they are plentiful... Sellers seem to charge new price ans often more than new price for their USED rifle.
There's lots of em out there, it's a buyers market.
 
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