Montana Hunt: Crossing the boarder

Thanks for the update. Glad your trip went OK, and hope the hunt was a good one! How many km's was it, round trip?

I have no doubt the CBSA is like any other government agency. You get a different answer every time you call, depending on who answers the phone.

The CFC, CRA, MNR, MOE, and every other department, all the same. Some people may have slept through that part of the training, or it came in a memo, and they all interpret it differently...
 
Thanks for the update. Glad your trip went OK, and hope the hunt was a good one! How many km's was it, round trip?...

The trip was fantastic (less the boarder issues).....especially getting to do this dream hunt with my dad :). The hunting was great, and we filled all our antelope tags (there a real fun animial to go after) but be ready for long shots. All of ours were between 300-425yrs.

total round trip = 6050km, it's a really nice/easy drive
 
MORAL OF ALL THIS FOR ANYONE (who has read this far ;) )
STAY IN CANADA
IF YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN WHEN IT COMES TO HUNTING.
.....or adleast be prepared to take the chance cross the boarder

Thanks for the update to this thread! I'm actually planning on heading to Wyoming this fall for an antelope hunt, so it's good to know I might have to dig into more detail on what I can bring back.

Not to minimize your story or experience at the border, but I've crossed with guns and game before too (Montana), and didn't have any troubles. Your experience actually doesn't sound NEARLY as traumatic as your post implies. :)

Yes - you'll have to deal with different levels of people, each with a different knowledge of the regulations, but in the end, you got through rather 'smoothly' and none the worse off. No privacy breach, you played by the rules, and all is well in the end.

I've had 'worse' experiences than that, once when importing a boat, and once with nothing at all!

Either way - glad you had fun!!!

What caliber rifles did you bring? What were the ranges of the shots? I'm trying to figure out if I need a .308 or a .300WM along. :D
 
Thanks for the update to this thread! I'm actually planning on heading to Wyoming this fall for an antelope hunt, so it's good to know I might have to dig into more detail on what I can bring back.

Not to minimize your story or experience at the border, but I've crossed with guns and game before too (Montana), and didn't have any troubles. Your experience actually doesn't sound NEARLY as traumatic as your post implies. :)

Yes - you'll have to deal with different levels of people, each with a different knowledge of the regulations, but in the end, you got through rather 'smoothly' and none the worse off. No privacy breach, you played by the rules, and all is well in the end.

I've had 'worse' experiences than that, once when importing a boat, and once with nothing at all!

Either way - glad you had fun!!!

What caliber rifles did you bring? What were the ranges of the shots? I'm trying to figure out if I need a .308 or a .300WM along. :D



canucklehead I'm sure your absolutely right in that a lot of people don't have these issue's but I figured I better give anyone interested the heads up of what potentially could happen and perhaps my warning was a little harsh


As for rifles I brought my 257 Weatherby and my dad his 6.5x55 Mauser (redone 15 yrs ago).

The ranges we were shooting were:
My buck = 425yd
Dad buck =375rd
My 1st Doe = 225 rd....standing position
My 2nd Doe = 400 yd.....your able to purchase up to 2 additional doe tags
Dad Doe = 300yd

Like I said you have to be prepared for long shots. Best three words of advice I could have for you is......practice......practice......practice. That's what made the difference for me.

However to be fair there not always long shots, another guy in camp got lucky with his buck @ 125yd and a doe @ 70yds....but as I'm sure you know that's hunting. I think it's safe to say the average shot is around 300yrds.

The 257Wby is pretty much the perfect calibre for out there on antelope, but obviously it's not for everyone for many reasons. I'm always a firm believe that any calibre will pretty much do the job if the bullet's placed in the right spot. I'm sure either your .308 or 300WSM will do the trick just make sure your really comfortable with which ever one you choose and know your ballistics as you will have to compensate for bullet drop with either of those calibres.

Without getting everyone "riled-up" about calibres and starting a whole debate ;), and to clarify this is "just my opinion". I have a Rem 700 .308 as well, but that stayed home simply because "in my opinion" the .308 has way too much drop when you start getting into these ranges for my personal taste. It's fine when target practicing at the range and you have time to adjust, but when you have live animals in front of you it's a different story. Sometime you have all the time in the world to settle in......get your ranges.....adjust your scope....etc, but more often then not when it comes to real hunting you have seconds to do all this and that's when it really matters. For me personally, I'd prefer to go with a flatter shooting, higher velocity, calibre, something like we took or perhaps a 270, 260 or so. That's not too say you can't start making your scope adjustments with the .308 (or larger calibre's), but I would highly recommend a bullet drop compensator on your scope if your planning on this and your own personal range finder is a must......but most important practice.....practice....practice at these ranges.

If your worried about putting down the animal in terms of calibre I would recommend worrying more about shot placement than anything else. They are a small animal and a 300 WSM will put a pretty good smack in there and (potentially) ruin a lot of meat if placed wrongly, but as said

Those antelope can be tough little bastards! :rolleyes:

and they will still keep going.

To give you an idea with all of mine the antelope dropped on the spot and was dead before I even got up to it. My dad had his doe go a pretty good distance because the shot wasn't "right-in-there," (still good, but not perfect). To give you an idea another guy in camp was using a 338win and surprisingly :confused: that antelope went a long distance when shot in the left rear quarter......although to be fair that same guy did drop a very nice buck @ 400yds

Like I said "in my opinion" shot placement is most critical and if you have a calibre that you are 100% comfortable with and can decide exactly how much to compensate for in milli-seconds then that's the one to use. Otherwise your better off to get into the flatter shooting rounds like I mentioned and be able to hold on the kill zone anywhere out to 300 yds and not worry. To me that will put more meat in the freezer than anything else.
 
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You do know we need to see pics.:cool:

Here's my favorite picture.....this is what it was all about......finally getting out there with my dad

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Not to hijack but if we are talking father/son this is my son in Wyoming this past fall with his first ever animal taken....
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canucklehead I'm sure your absolutely right in that a lot of people don't have these issue's but I figured I better give anyone interested the heads up of what potentially could happen and perhaps my warning was a little harsh


As for rifles I brought my 257 Weatherby and my dad his 6.5x55 Mauser (redone 15 yrs ago).

The ranges we were shooting were:
My buck = 425yd
Dad buck =375rd
My 1st Doe = 225 rd....standing position
My 2nd Doe = 400 yd.....your able to purchase up to 2 additional doe tags
Dad Doe = 300yd

Like I said you have to be prepared for long shots. Best three words of advice I could have for you is......practice......practice......practice. That's what made the difference for me.

However to be fair there not always long shots, another guy in camp got lucky with his buck @ 125yd and a doe @ 70yds....but as I'm sure you know that's hunting. I think it's safe to say the average shot is around 300yrds.

The 257Wby is pretty much the perfect calibre for out there on antelope, but obviously it's not for everyone for many reasons. I'm always a firm believe that any calibre will pretty much do the job if the bullet's placed in the right spot. I'm sure either your .308 or 300WSM will do the trick just make sure your really comfortable with which ever one you choose and know your ballistics as you will have to compensate for bullet drop with either of those calibres.

Without getting everyone "riled-up" about calibres and starting a whole debate ;), and to clarify this is "just my opinion". I have a Rem 700 .308 as well, but that stayed home simply because "in my opinion" the .308 has way too much drop when you start getting into these ranges for my personal taste. It's fine when target practicing at the range and you have time to adjust, but when you have live animals in front of you it's a different story. Sometime you have all the time in the world to settle in......get your ranges.....adjust your scope....etc, but more often then not when it comes to real hunting you have seconds to do all this and that's when it really matters. For me personally, I'd prefer to go with a flatter shooting, higher velocity, calibre, something like we took or perhaps a 270, 260 or so. That's not too say you can't start making your scope adjustments with the .308 (or larger calibre's), but I would highly recommend a bullet drop compensator on your scope if your planning on this and your own personal range finder is a must......but most important practice.....practice....practice at these ranges.

If your worried about putting down the animal in terms of calibre I would recommend worrying more about shot placement than anything else. They are a small animal and a 300 WSM will put a pretty good smack in there and (potentially) ruin a lot of meat if placed wrongly, but as said



and they will still keep going.

To give you an idea with all of mine the antelope dropped on the spot and was dead before I even got up to it. My dad had his doe go a pretty good distance because the shot wasn't "right-in-there," (still good, but not perfect). To give you an idea another guy in camp was using a 338win and surprisingly :confused: that antelope went a long distance when shot in the left rear quarter......although to be fair that same guy did drop a very nice buck @ 400yds

Like I said "in my opinion" shot placement is most critical and if you have a calibre that you are 100% comfortable with and can decide exactly how much to compensate for in milli-seconds then that's the one to use. Otherwise your better off to get into the flatter shooting rounds like I mentioned and be able to hold on the kill zone anywhere out to 300 yds and not worry. To me that will put more meat in the freezer than anything else.

THANK YOU for the write up - your words make a LOT of sense. I'm planning on doing a lot of pratice with the .308, my Leica Geovids, and my BulletFlight app on my Ipod.. so if it's under 500, should not be a problem!

Much appreciated again - your experiences will be taken to heart! :D
 
Not to hijack but if we are talking father/son this is my son in Wyoming this past fall with his first ever animal taken....
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Hey RSP, it was your post in another thread that I was remembering when I started a "cheap travel hunting" thread. I was hoping you would post in that one with the costs associated with your hunt.
 
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