RCMP got it right/wrong
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most likely so they wont have as many to run into while at work
BlackWatch
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Now that everything has to be registered, wouldn't a cop just confirm the registration of the firearm if they encountered a gun in a house or at a range?
I think they are more concerned with bad guys with guns. Not taking sides here but under what circumstances have the police been inspecting legally owned firearms and misinterpreting the applicable laws?
I think they are more concerned with bad guys with guns. Not taking sides here but under what circumstances have the police been inspecting legally owned firearms and misinterpreting the applicable laws?
very true, and your right they would most likely just confirm the registration, and its pretty hard to f*** up reading the registration when interpreting laws..
and also true in respect to the bad guys, however even the most honest people can do stupid things when pressured in extreme cases. i'll just leave it at that.
and also true in respect to the bad guys, however even the most honest people can do stupid things when pressured in extreme cases. i'll just leave it at that.
The sad thing is the Firearms regs are Federal statutes and should be known by every agency dealing with the law. With all of the anti-gun propaganda going on they should at least be aware of their responsibilities as LEO's. Some have an issue with a civvie that is more aware of the law and responsibilities than they are.
It is a training failure by the agencies but because all gun owners are mere milliseconds from becoming raving looneytune maniacs the general public doesn't mind giving us a bit of a hard go when it comes to our guns.
As we all know knowledge is power so it is up to all of us to know our regs and follow them.
I had the experience of a BC Conservation Officer declare my Mossberg 590A1 a prohibited weapon and want to seize it from me on a public shooting range. I think he was feeling a little upset that his issue POS beat up shotgun paled in comparison.
It is a training failure by the agencies but because all gun owners are mere milliseconds from becoming raving looneytune maniacs the general public doesn't mind giving us a bit of a hard go when it comes to our guns.
As we all know knowledge is power so it is up to all of us to know our regs and follow them.
I had the experience of a BC Conservation Officer declare my Mossberg 590A1 a prohibited weapon and want to seize it from me on a public shooting range. I think he was feeling a little upset that his issue POS beat up shotgun paled in comparison.
M12shooter
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I have quite a few friends that are municipal or RCM Police. Most are not gun or hunting people, in fact IMO it's a miracle that several have not accidentally shot themselves. For a peace officer to be spouting off about firearms legislation without clearly knowing exactly what he/she is talking about is most certainly detremental to career advancement.
How many threads have popped up this site wondering about the legality of something or other? Hundreds? Thousands?
How many posts have been made on this site that are totally wrong about some aspect of firearms law? Hundreds? Thousands?
How many conversations have you had with shooters who were convinced that a 14" shotgun was illegal, that hollowpoints were banned, that you had to have a trigger lock on a long gun while transporting or some other bit of misinformation. (I've had many.)
If gunnutz don't know everything or get it wrong often then it's too much to expect that every single police officer is up to date on the details of the gun laws.
And some people, including gunnutz and coppers, sometimes take offence when they are told they are wrong.
How many posts have been made on this site that are totally wrong about some aspect of firearms law? Hundreds? Thousands?
How many conversations have you had with shooters who were convinced that a 14" shotgun was illegal, that hollowpoints were banned, that you had to have a trigger lock on a long gun while transporting or some other bit of misinformation. (I've had many.)
If gunnutz don't know everything or get it wrong often then it's too much to expect that every single police officer is up to date on the details of the gun laws.
And some people, including gunnutz and coppers, sometimes take offence when they are told they are wrong.
cobra_on_speed
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Every time one of these threads comes up, it's always the same responses : "There's sooooooooooooooo many laws, how can you expect the popo to know every last one of them, blah blah blah blah blah".
Ok, for one, that's a lame argument. Why you ask? Well if you're going to use/operate/enforce something you should probably know something about it. That isn't the point I want to make though. There's plenty of people who do exactly that. All of us know that one idiot who always acts like they know everything about everything, and are too proud or arrogant to admit when they're wrong.
Therein lies my point. This world is full of people who are just too lazy, or stupid, or arrogant, or all three to inform themselves about what they're doing, or do a little research. Even more so, in this day when the concepts such as common sense, critical, and objective thinking skills are foreign.
I'm sure there's plenty of informed cops out there, working side by side with the guys who just don't care, and are just content to wing it. I think it's a little irresponsible, but what can ya do. You don't really hear about the good cops.
Ok, for one, that's a lame argument. Why you ask? Well if you're going to use/operate/enforce something you should probably know something about it. That isn't the point I want to make though. There's plenty of people who do exactly that. All of us know that one idiot who always acts like they know everything about everything, and are too proud or arrogant to admit when they're wrong.
Therein lies my point. This world is full of people who are just too lazy, or stupid, or arrogant, or all three to inform themselves about what they're doing, or do a little research. Even more so, in this day when the concepts such as common sense, critical, and objective thinking skills are foreign.
I'm sure there's plenty of informed cops out there, working side by side with the guys who just don't care, and are just content to wing it. I think it's a little irresponsible, but what can ya do. You don't really hear about the good cops.
Wow.
Well this train has left the station and is heading for the 52nd Street Station.
There are two sides to every story and even the Police have a version of what actually was said at the gas pumps.
Till I hear from the Member in question I'll just leave it as Bravo Sierra and leave it at that.
Rob
It must be different where I am. Many police have been in my vault over the years. Mind you it is mainly to see what I'll bring to the range for them to play with should they be there. I think I've educated many people on the legalities of many different guns they would have thought to be prohib.
I don't think it's our job to educate the police on the laws of firearms. If they don't know it, they will learn soon enough after a few law suits for false arrest.
JonnyBender
Yes, we hear the same things time after time. Maybe it's unfair to expect the LEO's to know all the laws. However, last time I checked, "IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!" I would just like it if it worked both ways.
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Well to be fair the definition of non-restricted/prohibited/restricted can get quite complex due to the many factors in determining the classification. I don't know the law off the top of my head and I don't expect the police to know either. HOWEVER, neither of us really need to know all the details because the classification is printed right on the reg cert (along with the barrel length / OAL)! If a cop seizes a 14" shotty as a prohib when it's clearly indicated as non-restricted at that barrel length on the reg cert, he is incompetent and should be fired for stupidity. If they have reason to believe the reg cert is not authentic, they can easily call the CFC to verify. Perhaps an officer can chime in here with exactly what info they can see on their computers when the CFC is closed.
I don't expect cops to be infallible, but I do expect them to consult with applicable experts (CFO's office, CFC, read the law) when they realize they're out of their depth and there is no immediate danger to public safety.
When you give a cop your car registration, does he start poking around under the hood to make sure it's really a Honda Civic? Or does he accept that the relevant government authorities have already determined the classification of the car?
Yes you would get your toys back, but the idea of being detained for hours or arrested, fingerprinted, happy snaps taken of you and the possiblity of spending tens of thousands on legal fees on a lawyer(s), for carrying out legal actions with a legally acquired firearm just because the officer is ignorant of the law isn't acceptable.
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