raw material prices dropping?

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Feb. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Copper prices, which more than doubled last year, are set to plunge as speculators unwind positions and global inventories expand, according to David Threlkeld, president of metals trader Resolved Inc.

“We’re going to see a catastrophe in the market,” said Threlkeld, who first got the world’s attention in 1996 when he showed that hoarding by Sumitomo Corp.’s Yasuo Hamanaka would lead to a collapse. Prices may slump to less than $1 a pound, he said by phone. That about 67 percent less than today’s levels.

Copper, used in pipes and wires, sets the pace for other industrial metals. A slump in prices may reduce profits at mining companies including Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. and drag other commodity prices lower.

Some 90 percent of buying “has been from speculators,” said Threlkeld, who has traded the market for more than 40 years. “Whether they are exchange-traded fund speculators or China pig farmer speculators it doesn’t really matter, because that buying is going to come back to the market,” he said from Arizona.

Three-month copper futures on the London Metal Exchange, which surged 140 percent last year after governments spent billions of dollars to lift their economies out of recession, traded today at $6,750 a ton. China, the world’s largest user, imported a record 3.2 million tons of the refined metal in 2009, up 119 percent from the previous year.
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can we only hope lead will be following?
 
Seems that copper and lead follow similar general trends.

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For the most part, copper sets the trend and lead follows. As things stand lead has an even greater potential to plummet than does copper, as lead inventories are at unheard of levels. The price of lead dropped for almost all of January and part of February, but has gone back up some in the last two weeks. There are still so many speculators in the market that jump at any hint of an improving economy, because everyone believes that if industry gets going again, the price of all raw materials will skyrocket. But for now I thoroughly expect the price of lead has a lot more room to go down than up.

Not that it will matter to prices, which are mostly about labour, capital cost, and demand vs. capacity anyway. But it would be nice to rub the noses of the people at BDX Bullets in it over the way their website always screams "We had to raise prices because lead KEEPS GOING UP!!!" even when prices are in freefall.
 
For the most part, copper sets the trend and lead follows. As things stand lead has an even greater potential to plummet than does copper, as lead inventories are at unheard of levels.

Lead and copper inventories for the past 5 years. No question that the price is going to take a huge tumble.

A year ago, the lead stockpiles were run down because lead was at historical low prices (adjusted dollar). Right now it is a waiting game, speculators are wondering if the lead that was bought a year ago cheap is going to be used out and the companies will have to buy the higher priced lead, or if the economy stays in the toilet so those companies won't need to buy. Inventories will continue to increase, and overnight, the prices will plummet as speculators bail out.

Companies vs speculators, we will see who blinks first. But because the speculators are keeping the prices inflated, mining companies are continuing to produce because the prices are high. I think the speculators are going to lose.

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