Need a little guidance...

Thanks guys, my mod 70, is a push feed, with a button ejector. As the rifle sits right now, with my handloads, it will group sub .500" all day if I can keep still long enough. Yes rebarreling the old girl is an option, but I want to go with a combination that is proven top notch (for my budget) Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Rem 700 a better choice? Where does the Savage accu trigger / action fit in to the tactical / long range roll.

I am going to look around E&E and see if the components for sale there are what I'm looking for. I would love a custom rig, but thought the price would be carzy high, seems I may have been mistaken. Like the thread title a little guidance, I am looking to absorbe as much relevant info as I can. I haven't been in the market for quite a while, so I am entertaining all suggestions.

Has anyone heard anything about the T/C warbird, I sure do like its lines. Good looking if nothing else.
 
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I know nothing about the TC or Winchester actions.

I would look seriously at re barreling that Winchester personally. If not I would build on a Stevens action.

I have a Stevens that I barreled in 7mmRM and a completely custom Remington 700.

The Remington I figured cost me about $3k after the smoke cleared.
The Savage was closer to $1500. And the Savage shoots well. Better at long range than close range. At 600 and 1000 it really shines. At 100/200 it looks average.

You save a lot of money on Savage mostly because a lot of work can be done without a smith.
 
Bear_Blade said:
Thanks guys, my mod 70, is a push feed, with a button ejector. As the rifle sits right now, with my handloads, it will group sub .500" all day if I can keep still long enough. Yes rebarreling the old girl is an option, but I want to go with a combination that is proven top notch (for my budget) Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Rem 700 a better choice? Where does the Savage accu trigger / action fit in to the tactical / long range roll.

I am going to look around E&E and see if the components for sale there are what I'm looking for. I would love a custom rig, but thought the price would be carzy high, seems I may have been mistaken. Like the thread title a little guidance, I am looking to absorbe as much relevant info as I can. I haven't been in the market for quite a while, so I am entertaining all suggestions.

Has anyone heard anything about the T/C warbird, I sure do like its lines. Good looking if nothing else.
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A rifle that can hold 1/2 MOA is all you need.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you are talking about occasional 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards? Sustained 1/2 minute groups at long range is a completely different accuracy standard.

If I am wrong then I would just re-stock the rifle to suit you intended requirements and shoot it as is. If the rifle can hold sub MOA at extended range (hot and/or cold) then you could have a gunsmith cut back the barrel, re-chamer with a match grade reamer, and re crown the muzzle. If not a match quality barrel and a good trigger job can be added for a reasonably small investment.

Will a custom action, blueprinted Remington, or a Savage shoot better? Maybe, but I doubt it.

The reality is that you are the limiting factor in this equation.
I have a buddy (shoots 3-5 times a week) that shoots a dirty old Mauser in 308 set in a handmade stock ($650.00 complete).
He can out shoot me and my $6,500.00 rifles almost every time...And I shoot fairly well thank-you!!:redface:
Does he shoot even better with my rifles?
Yes.
Does this matter to you or I?
No.

A thousand dollars spent on reloading supplies will get you farther than the fanciest gun will.
 
The winchester I have useing 165 gr balistic silvertip (combined technoligies hunting projectile) 44.7 gr of varget, remington brass (same lot) off a bipod will group 1/2 to 3/4 at 100, from a sandbag rest will sometimes break 3/8" ragged one holers. If I got an overcast day. A little looser, if it bright.

Look I know it shoots, and I love it. It was purchased 1n '92 when I got out of the military and it has been my goto for hunting, and fun ever since. There are pits in the barrel (minor, but still a nucence to my eye) and has seen in the neighbourhood of 7500-8000 rounds. It still has a 3-9 bushnell armour sight, that I bought with it. Is it worth my time to rebarrel, restock, tune and true this thing? Would most here recomend this, or is the remington/savage platform gonna be better.
I know the info you all are giveing me is sound and I appreciate it. What I'm thinking is I got lucky, got a Win. out of the box that shoots probably better than a lot of custom rigs can. Changeing any component of this rifle is not likely going to improve it. I like the trigger, it is at 2 1/4 lbs now, nice and crisp. The action is a little sticky/rough, not slick as I would envision other actions, this is the part I don't like at all, and has me leaning to the remington. I looked at the savage accu trigger this week, and can't say I like the tab that has to be depressed to release the sear. I'm kinda anal about how a trigger feels, and finger placement gotta feel "right" or the shoot already feels wrong.
These are the reason I am looking to change setups. If the rifle I have now is worth the investment, then great, it is still an option. If the action can be worked and made smooth. I like the pre'64 action more.

Can someone give me their opinion on the actions of the remington, savage and winchester side by side, pros and cons?

Also, does anyone have a sound case to push ahead with a build on my Winchester, as opposed to building on the Rem. 700?

Thanks in advance. And sorry to be a PITA.
 
NEW Savage heavy barrel in 308 with a good stock. It has a trued action from factory and it will shoot or Savage will fix it.. Resale value is very good.

A new Rem 700 heavy is also an easy path, normally they shoot well but your on your own if they don't. Resale value is crazy high.

If you want serious accuracy but are not willing to spend too much money, buy a single shot Predator action and a pre fit barrel and nut from Mysticplayer. This CUSTOM ACTION is around $800 and yes, available here in Canada with a little wait. Why anyone would pay $500 for an old Rem 700 action is beyond me. Add a recoil lug, trigger and stock. The stock will cost you unless you go for a Boyds thumbhole laminate. You will need screws to hold the action to the stock, they don't usually come with the stock.

You should bed anything you get so this cost is equal for all. Same goes for the scope, rings, base, rear bag and bi-pod or whatever you use.

To get a factory rifle to shoot seriously, it takes serious effort. If you need a gunsmith to put serious effort into it, you must pay.
 
The single most important part of an accurate rifle is the barrel. After that bedding into a solid comfortable (to you) stock and a good trigger.

So you already have an action, you have a stock that you are comfortable with, you like the trigger, but you have a factory barrel with a high round count. You are also shooting a hunting bullet and looking for benchrest results. A new barrel will cost you around $550-600 installed and will out shoot any factory barrel.
 
PEI ROB said:
NEW Savage heavy barrel in 308 with a good stock. It has a trued action from factory and it will shoot or Savage will fix it.. Resale value is very good..
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First I need to say that I actually *LIKE* Savage's, and the ones I have had shot great, BUT....

Savage's are NOT "trued" at the factory. They are mass produced. Even the "target action" (~ $600 from Epps right now) is mass produced, with the problems that come with that. Dull tooling, tired staff, legal requirements regarding tolerances (eg. SAAMI specs)... the list goes on.

Just keeping facts straight for the OP.

-- L.
 
Facts straight. The newest actions are machined true with fancy new CNC turning centers. The action lugs, threads and face are machined in one setup, aka true to each other. Since the bolt head floats, the Savage raceway does not need to be dead true to the threads, lugs or face and is not considered to be part of the truing process by top Savage gunsmiths.
 
BTW, these actions can be identified by a digitally engraved number under the tang and yes even on the Stevens actions.
 
PEI ROB said:
Facts straight. The newest actions are machined true with fancy new CNC turning centers. The action lugs, threads and face are machined in one setup, aka true to each other. Since the bolt head floats, the Savage raceway does not need to be dead true to the threads, lugs or face and is not considered to be part of the truing process by top Savage gunsmiths.
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I'm glad to see you took the time to clarify your original statement. I'm sure that some of the precision gunsmiths who frequent CGN (Guntech, Arwen Ace, etc) could elaborate on their definitions of truing.

-- L.
 
No problem L. A perfectly straight raceway isn't worth a damn if the bolt body doesn't fit. If your going to spend more money on gunsmithing, bolt body, handle and installation, start with a custom and forget the Rem or Savage because it makes no sense. I called it "true" in context to what is important for that particular action.

noneck180, there can be no doubt the good custom actions are far superior but the OP was asking for cheap alternatives for a good shooter, not a full blown custom.

Bear_Blade, sorry for the hijack. I have already ordered a new action and stock from Ian [pretty sure he doesn't sell Savage actions :D ]. The thing is, I currently shoot a Savage that has won every event its been in except this years 2009 F Class Open Atlantic Championship and it was by 2 points, and definitely my fault. This new rig damn well better shoot.
 
PEI,,

If you have read some of my previous posts I gave Bear Blade many affordable suggestions, there has just been so much Savage precision lately I just had to give my opinion on what will work for me. Bear Blade I believe you have enough info and now you have to make decision on what will work for you.

Noneck
 
Bear_Blade said:
I'm listening... Any info is good info.
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Ian could sell you all of the best parts available and you are tempting him to do so, but I think he is trying to tell you what the rest of us did (use your Model 70).

If you feel the need for the best of everything abandon your original budget and prepare to spend $5,000.00 or more like the rest of us did.

If you want to stay on budget pay attention.

Otherwise you are about to be parted with your money.....
 
Blade, do you want to hit stuff or look good doing it?

If you want to hit stuff with a 308, buy a Savage FTR or a custom gun, and a high quality scope. If the look cool factor is more important, but anything else.

Just do it. There is enough BS in these forums to fertilize half of Saskatchewan.

You will figure out soon enough what you want or need to satisfy your long range shooting itch. I promise if you are serious about shooting, this wont be your last gun anyway.
 
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