saskgunowner101
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- middle of Sask
.45 LC or .44 mag?
- Thread starter madluk18
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Edward Teach
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- who cares?
I agree with mlehtovaara, this isn't about merely killing, it's about the physics of hitting it with enough force to stop it in its tracks.
The editing in this clip isn't the greatest, but skip ahead to about 2:00, and it will give you a sense of just how fast bears can move. That much mass is moving toward you at that speed and you have time for one or two shots. You need to hit it with enough force to slow or stop it entirely, otherwise even if you mortally wound it, you may still wind up dead.
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The editing in this clip isn't the greatest, but skip ahead to about 2:00, and it will give you a sense of just how fast bears can move. That much mass is moving toward you at that speed and you have time for one or two shots. You need to hit it with enough force to slow or stop it entirely, otherwise even if you mortally wound it, you may still wind up dead.
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BC Bigbore
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- BC's Peace Country
Thank you for being honest. In this case, I'd suggest a good Korelian and a can of bear spray, with an 870 Tactical filled to the nuts with slugs as backup. An experienced shooter thats familiar with his rifle is gonna have a hard enough time trying to make a lethal stopping hit on a close in charging bear with meyham on his mind, let alone a person new to guns.
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It doesn't really matter between .45LC and 44 mag. No big deal, neither packs as much punch as a 45-70. .444, or almost any mediocre rifle cartridge. Personally I'd prefer a 30-30 over either of the cartridges you named.
Edward Teach
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And the day was saved by a guy with a REVOLVER!
Good thing for him she was only bluffing, else she'd have shoved that revolver up his ass.
BC Big bore, I'm new to guns in the sense that i've just started reloading, and getting into customizing my own rifles, and i'm just learning about all these calibres. I've been shooting rifles (30-06, 6.5, .22, Shotguns) since i was just a child, I'm not worried about my shot, I know what to do there. its just What would work the best,
BC Bigbore
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- BC's Peace Country
The way you worded the start of the thread madluk18, I thought you were a newbie. I used to pack a .45-70 Guide Gun loaded with my hardcast handloads but ended up selling it because if I'm hunting, my other rifles are more than adequite. When fishing & camping in wilderness areas my camper likely has a Rem 870 Tactical or an old Winchester 1200 (18.5"bbl) loaded with slugs within easy reach.
Actually any old 12 gauge (preferably in a pump for it's ability to deliver many repeated shots reliably in the worst of conditions) with some Breneke's or Challenger's will do very well for close up work. Not everyone has the equipment, time, and desire to cook their own home made loads. Most just need to go straight to business and reloading isn't part of their sport/hobby/work. We forget sometimes that not everybody that comes here is a hard-core "sleep, dream, eat and drink" CGNer.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
If we consider that a 45/70 using factory ammo launches a 300gr bullet at about 1800-1850fps, and a heavy load 45Colt will send a 300gr bullet out of a rifle barrel at 1600fps, the 45 Colt (and 44 mag) might be a bit bigger medicine than many think!
I do believe Hornady manufactures factory loads for 45/70 quite a bit hotter than that.They may not be safe in a trapdoor Springfield, but they are factory nonetheless.
Nice try though.
If we consider that a 45/70 using factory ammo launches a 300gr bullet at about 1800-1850fps, and a heavy load 45Colt will send a 300gr bullet out of a rifle barrel at 1600fps, the 45 Colt (and 44 mag) might be a bit bigger medicine than many think!
x2 . it's like a 45/70 short, but better than a 45 long .
- Location
- Kawartha Lakes, Ontario
Heretic, here.
Despite having a Guide Gun in 45/70, I'd prefer to have a can or two of bear spray.
From published accounts, grizzly charges were stopped as though they had run into a brick wall. Everybody walks away.
Despite having a Guide Gun in 45/70, I'd prefer to have a can or two of bear spray.
From published accounts, grizzly charges were stopped as though they had run into a brick wall. Everybody walks away.
I do believe Hornady manufactures factory loads for 45/70 quite a bit hotter than that.They may not be safe in a trapdoor Springfield, but they are factory nonetheless.
Nice try though.
The 45-70 can be loaded up identical to the 450 Marlin. The 450 Marlin is a lawyer's cartridge, a full pressure load that can't be chambered in weak 45-70 guns.
Take a look at Buffalo Bore ammo, velocity/energy for 45-70 and 450 Marlin are the same, in fact, 45-70 is a touch higher, because of slightly larger case capacity. (but much shorter brass life if you load it hot)
If you want bear spray, get some that Griffoner is going to be selling. It will be 10% while all the other "Canadian approved" sprays are 1%
BC Bigbore
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- BC's Peace Country
Last year we had an incident involving a black bear at work. When the CO arrived he pulled out his 870 Police and filled it with slugs. Later when we were chatting, he told me about having to finish off several wounded grizzlies that were shot when moose hunters and grizzlies had run ins around here. Nasty stuff. His choice of gun when going after wounded grizzlies in heavy brush? Either the 870/slug combo or his .30-06 with 200gr SP's. No hot rodded .45-70 or .375 Magnum required. Reminds me of the old saying..."there ain't many things that a man can't fix, with $700 and a .30-06"...(maybe the money should be $2000 nowadays)
