jerking the gun before a shot

Most probable is a flinch, however not all flinches are caused by anticipation of recoil. Loosing track of the target, or loosing focus on the target or moving on the target before focus is established can cause this symtom. Recognizing a flinch is easy, but diagnosing the cause would require someone with instructor ability. Think about a lesson with a good instructor before you try self treatment.

Yep but you forgot one other very real cause of "Flinch"
Noise yes the anticipation of the bang causes a flinch in many cases.
 
Yep but you forgot one other very real cause of "Flinch"
Noise yes the anticipation of the bang causes a flinch in many cases.

Did not mention noise in my first post but did not forget anything! In fact I mentioned noise in my second post. My point is that recoil and/or noise is a very common cause of a flinch but is not the only or often not the most probable cause of a flinch.
I think an overlooked cause of a flinch is the often undetected argument between the conscious and subconscious. When trained the subconscious will read the line of a target and compute a proper lead. What a trained subconscious needs, or an untrained one for that matter, is to have clear sight of the target. Often when the target is presented it may become partly obstructed. Usually the cause for this obstruction is the shooter himself or the gun. The subconscious will not compute without clear accurate information from the eyes. Without clear focus, the information will not be accurate and without sight the subconscious may not even want to pull the trigger. At this point the conscious takes over and forces the shooter to pull the trigger. It may cause a movement like the original poster described. Now the conscious mind can often pull off the shot and often is a standby til the subconscious is trained, but the conscious mind is not a very fast computer and often lives in the past or the future and is often where the target was or where the target is going but is never where the target is. Now the conscious is not as slow as I type, but usually takes too much time to think out corrections.

As in my original post, I still say that when a shooting problem occurs it is best to get help from someone with instructor qualifications to determine the cause.
 
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Yep but you neglected to mention one other very real cause of "Flinch"
Noise yes the anticipation of the bang causes a flinch in many cases.

Did not mention noise in my first post but did not forget anything!

Geeze easy up there bud, no need to yell.
I'll change my reply if that makes you happy :cool:
 
One thing that has struck me about shooting is the thought that it is a perfect situation for conditioning to take place, e.g. you do something (pull the trigger) you immediately hear a big noise and take a hit in the shoulder and you repeat the experience many times. I'm sure how you think and feel about the situation affects things, but the actual conditioning occurs below the level of conscious awareness, and conscious attempts to suppress the results of it are often ineffective. That being true, one might consider apply conditioning principles to modify the flinch, e.g. condition states incompatible with flinching such as a relaxation response and so on.
PS Relax CR, if you aren't forgetting things right now, you will in a few years. Take my word for it.:p Fred
 
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Originally Posted by senior View Post
Yep but you neglected to mention one other very real cause of "Flinch"
Noise yes the anticipation of the bang causes a flinch in many cases.



Geeze easy up there bud, no need to yell.
I'll change my reply if that makes you happy :cool:

Some say I am getting old:D I do not feel old, but I am very sensative about being accused of........of.........I cant remember what I was going to say:redface:
 
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