Premiere Reticle Heritage scopes
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I went with the 3-15x50, since that is all I needed. Although I totally understand the people that want more magnification
The weight between the 5-25x56 and 3-15x50 is quite comparable (1 ounce difference I think), it is the length that changes a lot (3") Also field of view, due to how optical engineering works, the more mag, the less field of view.My ugly little duckling?
Personally I think it looks ###y )One thing to note, don't mind the reddish hue, that is the light flash... it actually matches the rifle very very well
Thanks,
- Koshy
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I have three and they don't have dust in them, I guess I'm lucky then
C'mon guys somebody puts out a new scope and it already dethrones S&B, give me a break, different yes but better! Let's let time be the judge of that!
Let's see how many will dish out three bones to try them out. By the way thast two tone screwup is enough to turn me off especially considering it's a new product, you would think they would pay more atenttion in this critical beggining for the product.
bigbull
The only two cases that I know personally were Slavex's and Skullboys S&B PMII scopes how ever I recal that were a couple of others as well
I have three and they don't have dust in them, I guess I'm lucky then
C'mon guys somebody puts out a new scope and it already dethrones S&B, give me a break, different yes but better! Let's let time be the judge of that!
Let's see how many will dish out three bones to try them out. By the way thast two tone screwup is enough to turn me off especially considering it's a new product, you would think they would pay more atenttion in this critical beggining for the product.
bigbull
Hey I never said it was better, so don't drag my ass into it.
Secondly as stated IT IS THE FLASH of the Camera... and I'm betting the coating is for military applications to keep IR signature down.
That being said, if you look at the scope in natural light, not a CAMERA FLASH 2 feet from the scope.... it all blends together with the same colour. Proof is on page 1 look at Henrik's Picture.
It isn't a new "product"... maybe if you knew something about the company you wouldn't make statements like this. They have been around for over 70+ years. They have modified the scopes of companies when they were at their pinnacle, including Leopold and S&B. Why did PR and S&B have a fall out? Maybe because PR said... hey you guys are doing some really dumb things with your illumination knob (and other things), and S&B basically told them to go pound sand, because they didn't want to spend the money to reroute the wires (redesign the platform). How about the fact the scopes are DESIGNED in GERMANY and made in AMERICA not outsourced to China or elsewhere. How about the fact they have top of the line customer service, I spoke with them on the phone for over an hour and they had no problem with it. How about they let their customers modify the scope without voiding the warranty (so long as they aren't stupid about it). How about the fact they offer a full lifetime warranty short of you running the scope over with a heavy truck/tank and don't make you have a stupid warranty card, or 10 year limited warranty and 20 year parts warranty?
You really should not judge a company simply because this is their first offering into the PRODUCTION of their OWN Scopes.
Porsche won P1 and P2 most of the time their first year in Le Mans and also won the constructors. Not to mention Porsche won P1 and P2 even though their prototype was simply a P2 car, which should be impossible
And THAT WAS THEIR FIRST YEAR OF COMPETING IN LE MANS. I make this comparison because, yes Porsche makes cars but so does Ferrari and Audi etc... but they have made Le Mans SPECIFIC cars for many years... Porsche nailed it in their first year. I personally (if you hadn't figured this out already) believe Premier Reticle nailed it, they made a scope comparable to S&B maybe even edging it out with features... in at least the States it is FAR cheaper then an S&B (was not so much anymore). Some who own both (and proved it with pictures and video) have stated for THEIR EYES, the Premier looks like it has a little better glass then S&B.
Premier is also constantly innovating, and listening to customer concerns for example: I asked what are you guys going to do about the fact there are no marks for the Parallax? He started talking about how they use a very fine Parallax which leads to issues because you have it on the number "100" for 100 yards, and it still has parallax because it is such a "fine" parallax (good thing), and if they made the numbers uber small it would look like a Phisher price P.O.S. Also everyone's eye is different. So I asked well, you cannot expect us to find perfect Parallax every damn time, especially out in the field where things can change instantly! And he said, we don't... he started talking about a POSSIBILITY (still in developmental stage and they may change the setup but I thought it was awesome) of adding a cover that would go over the Parallax knob, then you could put extremely high quality decals on that cover. You find YOUR PERFECT PARALLAX FREE AREA, throw on a high quality decal... and bam PERFECT PARALLAX EVERY TIME FOR YOUR EYES. Know the best part? No sending the scope back and waiting God knows how long for the tech team to modify your scope. Just talk to redman (hope you don't hate on me for bringing you into this convo)... he simply wants a different reticle in his scope... well guess what... like 2-3 months later he is still waiting... and I cannot imagine how FRUSTRATED I would be waiting months on end, for something I paid 3K+ for and also wanting to shoot and not being able to because I don't want to have to own 2 scopes for one rifle.
Lastly, Premier Heritage 3-15x50 has now been adopted by the USMC for their DAY SNIPER SCOPE. To me, that says a lot... it also says money... IMO that will increase the value of my scope, especially with the number of scopes available decreasing because of the popularity. Don't believe that they were adopted? See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_SQd3Mmb3Y
BTW PGW aren't the only people selling these scopes, so in no way am I paid by them (although after that rant I think I should be
) to say what I have. There are a few other great helpful dealers that sell them including CORETAC and ARMAMENT. I mention this, because when I was hunting around for the Premier I found ARMAMENT and purchased from them and although the guy was extremely helpful (Ted Milner), if I had known about CORETAC I would have gone with them simply because I live like 20 minutes from their offices, as well as the fact it is owned by one of the F-Class shooters I met... which simply would have made my life much easier if I ever needed their services.Thats the end of my rant.
Thanks,
- Koshy
All I can say is Wow Koshy, I don't want to get into a pissing match with you over the value of any product we buy for our sport I am too old for that but suffice it to say that if you feel this is what you want good on you, is it better than S&B or a US Optics or a Swaro, I couldn't care less, I chose S&B due to my belief that they are the better scope, hey what do I know they looked good to me at the time, tommorow is a different day!
Good Shooting
bigbull
ps: The reason I quoted you above is because I wanted to point out that the USMC also adopted the TASCO Super Sniper, which is about $300 plus change, nothing short of amazing.
Wrong out fit it was the US Navy about 10 -15 yrs ago
I'm not going to waste my breath with your trolling, I'm sure my earlier statement speaks for itself, in terms of most every concern someone may have with a PR-H. My last words are, I had the money to go PR-H or S&B PMII... I chose PR-H, for the reasons in my earlier statement and possibly a few more. In the end it comes down to what you think suits you best.
Thanks,
- Koshy
Let me see if I can get this right,
You just bought your first scoped rifle and are now calling me a troll for voicing my opinion!
I hope you have better control of your trigger than your mouth.
bigbull
Koshy I am shocked and appalled; guy never quoted you with regards to S&B being worse than PR, and yet you go off what can only be described as a tirade.
The service I brought my scope in for was largely irrelevant to your discussion here for three reasons:
1. It's a reticule change - you can't expect that to be something the end-user does.
2. Don't forget that, in general, AI AW's are most often outfitted with S&B's. Look up how many AW users there are, be they civvies or mil, worldwide and you can imagine how busy S&B can get compared to PR.
3. Finally, don't forget my conclusion regarding the holdup likely being with Wolverine.
Bottom line: simmer down - you are overreacting to someone's opinion. I just gave my opinion above, does that make me a troll as well?
I know you like having the last word, so by all means post it, but make it conclusive.
Oh no... I just bought my first rifle... there is no way I could have shot previous to owning a rifle? There is no way I could have tried lots of other things? WRONG.
I'm not upset, getting upset over something on the internet is a waste of time
I chose to just call him a troll (which I still think he is), rather then waste my time making a big long post like I have now done because I respect you.I have an appreciation for AI AW rifles, but not for their "accessories", so just because they pick S&B, doesn't say that much to me. Although it will be interesting to see their new accessories... also I could say, well PGW supplies PR-H's that must mean they are what they consider best (tiny company I know)...
And I call him a troll for a few reasons:
1. "Let's see how many will dish out three bones to try them out."
2. "By the way thast two tone screwup is enough to turn me off especially considering it's a new product, you would think they would pay more atenttion in this critical beggining for the product."
3. "I hope you have better control of your trigger than your mouth."
I don't care about having the last word, but when I see someone picking me out when I didn't say squat about which being better or worse then the other... I think that is a tad bit unfair (although this is the internet).
1. I never expected a reticule change to be something the end-user does. All I was saying was, many of the other companies WILL NOT LET YOU TOUCH anything inside of your scope, without voiding the warranty, where as PR will let you, without voiding the warranty [WITHIN REASON -- for example switching clickers].
2. I don't disagree with 2.
3. Didn't know about Wolverine at the time... so don't hate on me going off something you say
Thanks,
- Koshy
I'm not gonna go into why the other dude isn't trolling, and I wasn't even gonna answer this, but you so completely missed the point of what I wanted to say that I felt compelled. I might be coming down hard on you, but...
...you seem to often feel compelled to turn a discussion of one thing into a comparison of something else, where you have to comment using factors that are more or less irrelevant. My point was simple, so I'll reiterate: comparing warranty turnaround times between S&B & PR doesn't make sense because the former has much more traffic considering the sheer volume of AW users worldwide that often go with an S&B. PR's market is much narrower (Marines might change that). Ergo, including my little incident wasn't very useful at all for the point you were making.
You somehow turned that into me saying that S&B > PR because AI uses it; three letters for you, old chum: W - T - F. Take it easy, dude - you got a cool rifle, go shoot it instead of defending it and let the results speak for themselves. Case in point: check your "my first rifle thread" - 23 pg's, and we have yet to see results on paper (unless I missed them
).I'm not gonna go into why the other dude isn't trolling, and I wasn't even gonna answer this, but you so completely missed the point of what I wanted to say that I felt compelled. I might be coming down hard on you, but...
...you seem to often feel compelled to turn a discussion of one thing into a comparison of something else, where you have to comment using factors that are more or less irrelevant. My point was simple, so I'll reiterate: comparing warranty turnaround times between S&B & PR doesn't make sense because the former has much more traffic considering the sheer volume of AW users worldwide that often go with an S&B. PR's market is much narrower (Marines might change that). Ergo, including my little incident wasn't very useful at all for the point you were making.
You somehow turned that into me saying that S&B > PR because AI uses it; three letters for you, old chum: W - T - F. Take it easy, dude - you got a cool rifle, go shoot it instead of defending it and let the results speak for themselves. Case in point: check your "my first rifle thread" - 23 pg's, and we have yet to see results on paper (unless I missed them
Sorry I misunderstood the statement you were trying to make.
Where am I trying to defend the rifle? If it wasn't a shooter I would say it isn't a shooter then sell it and buy something else.
Kind of hard to put results on paper when you have as much bad luck as me? Not to mention waiting on PAL to complete?
Thanks,
- Koshy
