cheep .338 lapaua (hope I spelled that right....)

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DrawBlood said:
you seriously think that your going to hit a gopher at a mile? headshot will give him a small migraine..lol enough time to chase him down while hes unconscious...lol
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Why not? I have done it with a 6BR using Berger 105 VLD's. It took 4 shots, but it got it done. The good news is they aren't spooked by the noise, and the puff of dust doesn't seem to bother them. Gotta have a cloudy cool day though...

DonP and I can hit gopers all day long at 1000M+ using a 6BR, or his 300 WSM gopher whacher.

...from neophyte to expert in just 275 posts
 
mysticplayer said:
Hornady, Jamison and Norma now make the Rigby brass and no it is not turn of the century spec stuff. I think this brass will handle standard magnum pressures just fine.

Many who shoot these larger 338's don't seem to have much problem with excellent game getting accuracy at extremely long distances.

Lapua brass is strong and well made but only one component in the accuracy package.

And would you need to run full throttle brass breaking pressures if you had a larger case?????

So the OP question was, is there a cheap 338LM? NO but for the same amount of money, you can get bigger.

Or for much less money, you can get different.

Jerry
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Once again Jerry, you missed (pun there) the whole point. Why would I chamber a round based on a case that couldn't handle the pressure in the first place, especially based on what you think?
Do you think (pun there also) that they used turn of the century brass in the 80's when the Lapua round was developed?
Lapua brass is amongst the best you can get, and it is the best in the Lapua offerings. It is the component that most people start with when they build a quality rifle (enough with the puns).
Show me a case that will keep up, with the same bolt face, and same quality brass as the Lapua? You should know as well as anyone that a larger case isn't the be all and end all, in fact, your statement against it started this mess in the first place.
And I still don't know how, for less than $1500 or so dollars, anyone is going to get more boom for the buck than a RUM, Lapua, or Bee. Or, get anything different for less.

R.
 
Just about time for ole "Prairie Thunder" to chime in no? He he he he. 338 LappoooooooooooooAIAIAIAIAIAIAI. Howl like a big dog!

Rick, I just may have to take a drive to see this Jerry fellow and give him a leg stretching demo.
I may even stop and see my favorite gunsmith on the way and "SuperDuperCharge" it.
This year I have been invited to a few local ranches for marmot detail. BOOM. Sizzle,sizzle,sizzle. THWACK. "Can you see it. Nope. Just a huge cloud of dust and red all over". Way, way out there.............................
 
When the Rigby testing was being done back in the 80's, the brass was intended strictly for the orig 416 Rigby kill elephants type cannon. High magnum pressure was never on in the cards.

The project really fell dead and was shelved. Lapua was courted by the US contractor and took over the project and because of their reworking of the brass, we have the chambering of today.

How long did the 338 LM languish before military forces were willing to pay attention? It certainly wasn't lead by the US.

Today, all modern manf will stress their brass based on SAAMI or CIP or what their target market is.

There are few modern brass that will not live up to standard magnum pressures ie 62,000psi. I am sure you know that Norma makes Wby brass and although most will consider it 'soft' lives just fine at standard magnum pressures.

So, the bigger wildcats WILL handle standard magnum pressures very nicely AND their larger case volume allows you to reach higher desired velocities. There is no replacement for displacement.

My initial post didn't critisize the 338 LM at all. It was to answer the OP which was cost and a chambering. I offered the answer that to get the same ballistic performance (better actually), the 7RM would do it with less cost in component AND rifle.

That is no joke and no pun is intended. You can run the numbers through any ballistic program you want. I included the part about LR hurt but I am sure you got that too.

Then I highlighted that I would go bigger if the 338 CALIBER and the wonderful heavies was the end goal. A 338 LM will never push a 300gr MK over 3000fps in a standard length barrel at anything resembling sane pressures. But you have already heard that by now.

So if the goal was to build a 338 cannon, why not just use a case that is 15% bigger and get that much more performance?

Why not improve the Lapua case and really enjoy all the benefits of that wonderful brass?

Pretty much the same cost.

As to a way to get equal to or better then 338LM performance for under $1500? let's not stir this pot up anymore.



Toomanyguns. Where abouts in BC are you? I am sure Rick can tell you all about the spot I shoot at. 2500yds is well within reach. I have shot and seen a bunch of 338's shot but Rick can tell you all about that too.

But then we also shot all the way up to 50BMG with a few 408 Chey Tacs along the way.

Would you believe a 308/175gr MK is 1 mile capable? I wouldn't either until I saw it plinking quite happily at 1800yds.

AS to Obtunded hitting PD at 1mile with a 6BR, I have no issue believing it. That is a very accurate set up.

I think we have taken this post in enough tangents. Good night.

Jerry
 
The best gun smith I know never goes on computers. He has not the time or desire. He is usually much too busy doing. His specialty is fixing the mistakes of others.
 
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mysticplayer said:
When the Rigby testing was being done back in the 80's, the brass was intended strictly for the orig 416 Rigby kill elephants type cannon. High magnum pressure was never on in the cards.


So if the goal was to build a 338 cannon, why not just use a case that is 15% bigger and get that much more performance?

Why not improve the Lapua case and really enjoy all the benefits of that wonderful brass?

Pretty much the same cost.

As to a way to get equal to or better then 338LM performance for under $1500? let's not stir this pot up anymore.

I think we have taken this post in enough tangents. Good night.

Jerry
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Jerry, you are so full of sh%t, it's not even funny.
It's a sad day when people like you spew so much mis-information, start to make up answers to questions that nobody asked, and do it so often, that they start to believe their own sh%t as facts! Maybe next time, try to stick with subject matter that you are familiar with?

You do know that it was the 1980's that the original Lapua round was tested, not the 1880's? Again, do you really think that they used weak 100 year old brass? Obviously you don't. It wasn't that the brass couldn't take the pressure, it was that the brass couldn't take the shape + the pressure. When they drew the existing brass, it got thin, and failed under chamber pressures. Due to the shape of the .416 Rigby case, it can easily handle your so called modern pressures, as it could when it was first designed. You should understand that these pressure have just as much to do with the chamber, as they do with the brass. The same would happen today if you tried to make .338 Lapua from .416 Rigby brass. Surley with all your "custom" cartridge "experience" you can relate to that?

As to your question about performance, and why not use a case that has 15% more capacity? I asked you to provide such a magic case, with the same bolt face, and the same quality brass. Obviously you couldn't come up with one, because it doesn't exist. So now your sugestion, as if to answer the above question, is to improve the existing case? That is the best you can come up with? People have been doing that since the case came out. As to pretty much the same cost, when was the last time you ordered a reamer and set of custom dies? Well over $500.00, and that's with a lot of help. Do it on your own, it will be significantly higher.

I would like to stir the pot some more on the equal or better performance for under $1500 question. I think it is very prudent to the discussion, as that's what the original question was all about. I am very anxious to see what kind of pile of sh&t you may be able to cobble together, for under $1500.00, that would safely get a .338 Lapua down range. Remington can barely do it, but you can? Give us break with your tireless self promotion Jerry, as I said, it's a sad day when you start to believe your own crap as fact.

I'm not even going to start on who would be stupid enough to send you a USO scope to do a "review" on, because that's how much I value your "opinion".

R.
 
Rman, don't you understand this forum is all about the shameless self promotion of certain untouchable vendors? That was sarcasm.

Surely the mods will be along shortly to delete or prune this thread like they have so many others, whenever a vendor has their feet held to the fire and is forced to go whining to the mods that someone is picking on them. Let the countdown begin....
 
rpollock said:
Rman, don't you understand this forum is all about the shameless self promotion of certain untouchable vendors? That was sarcasm.

Surely the mods will be along shortly to delete or prune this thread like they have so many others, whenever a vendor has their feet held to the fire and is forced to go whining to the mods that someone is picking on them. Let the countdown begin....
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Seriously? That would be very sad.
I'm all in favour of good discussion, and good information exchange, as long as it is based on FACTUAL information. Arm chair experts are easy to spot, but not so much when they try and pass themselves off as experts and professionals. Some here, like certain rifle builders, and certain component providers, have spent a lifetime honing their skills, and take the time to teach us what they can. They do all this without constantly spewing half fact/half made up verbal diarrhea about how great they are, from a high atop a shaky pedestal made with sub-standard materials.

R.
 
Rman, you got your own crosses to bear. Start wildcatting and you will find that many of your statements don't make any sense. There are many shooters that have no issue making the 338 wildcats that I have mentioned and have for over a decade successfully. I didn't invent any of them. Just sharing their results.

So yes, there are several very good chamberings with suitable brass to get the job done. This is all pretty old news. The most recent options are the Edge, and Tomahawk. You might want to do a little research here as they were created by some very smart shooters and their track record has been very positive.

As for the costs you may face in your project builds, if you see value in what you get, then it was money well spent.

You can add all the hyperbole and name calling to this mix. It's just fine by me.

You have a passion for something, good for you. Make it the best that it can be. Suits your fancy...all good.

However, if you go into a debate already knowing the result, you may miss new opportunities that can offer you different if not better solutions.

The information I have offered is repeated by other accomplished shooters so I am simply sharing that info. If sharing information can be considered self promotion, then so be it.

I believe the format here is to share experience and info. Some have little. some have lots. But it is all worth hearing about.

The name calling brow beating that we see so often these days does nothing to actually answer the OP but does a wonderful job of illustrating ones biases.

Have a different solution, share it? Show the advantages to your process or idea.

But if it makes you happier to not do that, then that is ok too.

Jerry
 
Keep dancing Jerry, it's what you do best. That you consider yourself an accomplished shooter is quite humerous, and says much for your standards. Continue to polish turds, as the outcome suits you.

Well Done?

R.
 
DonP and I can hit gopers all day long at 1000M+ using a 6BR, or his 300 WSM gopher whacher.
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A gopher is only about 2.5" wide. To hit that regularily at 1000yds is perilously close to world record territory. To hit such a target that moves randomly, changes shape constantly and blends in to the background would be closer to a miracle. So I have my doubts about the veracity of such a claim.

To hit a target like that once in a while is a very different issue, where the rules of probability play a big factor.
 
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