ODPL/IDPA Calibers

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Ok, this may seem like a really dumb question, but why are these types of shooting sports limited to 9MM and up (in general)? Is it related to the stopping power of smaller calibers? Why can't one shoot with a 22LR conversion kit on their Glock?

And before you get all up in my face, I know that 22 LR is not going to stop a BG, but I also know that piece of cardboard is not a BG, it's a piece of cardboard and if a piece of cardboard can represent a BG than a 22LR can represent a 357 mag round. :)

So I know you can't shoot with 22LR, but why? Can you practice with them? Can you take a Black Badge course with 22LR?
 
It my belief that these sports are supposed to represent real life. One shooter having a .22 and another having a 9mm, the one with the .22 will be quicker with his second shot due to recoil of the firearm.

These sports being about real life shoot outs, a .22 has no place in these games. Using your logic about cardboard not being a badguy....well this small button up shirt represents a trench coat and then it would cover my racegun. The rules are there to make a level playing field for those shooting.

These are my personal beliefs on action shooting sports. If you real want to shoot a .22, you should think about starting a new sport. Take my word, people will come and shoot it.
 
at our cub for non "match" (ie: PRACTICE) nights we have allowed people to shoot what ever they have... if all you have is a .22 and you want to try the sport I think it is beneficial to allow people to shoot what they have.

we have had three people shoot .22's at our club, one of them has since bought a Beretta 92FS and shot all last year with it (he used the .22 in 2008), the other one came out twice and never returned and the third was a 10 year old boy who had a sig misquito....

Watching that 10 year old shoot using a holster and mag pouches his dad made for him out of leather is why I got into this sport, that is where the up and coming IPSC/IDPA shooters are coming from. Him and his dad are from the next town over, butthey come up and shoot with us 2-3 times per year.

Other then the caliber we do make them follow all other applicable rules.... sometimes some newbies will show up without holsters so they start with "gun in hand" and we give them a 2 second penalty on the time so the sheets/times are easy to compare.

frankly that 10 year old still impresses me, he was a good shot and shot the course of fire the same as the rest of us.... he did it safely and had fun, These sports should all follow the 3 "f's" Fun, Fair and Fabulous
 
AFAIK, not too many people with CCW permits are carrying .22s. I supposed some would for the really tiny guns, but the majority are probably carrying a centerfire gun of some sort.

IDPA is borne from CCW and mandates the use of full charge service ammo. Ammunition that would similarily be used in a a self defense scenario. I concede that a .22 can be fatal in a self defense scenario, but it wouldn't be my caliber of choice. This is also why they've established power floors, because it a real life scenario, your more likely to use hot loads than light target loads.

With that in mind, I believe thats why there are caliber and ammo restrictions in IDPA
 
Onagoth said:
your more likely to use hot loads than light target loads.

With that in mind, I believe thats why there are caliber and ammo restrictions in IDPA
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with that in mind I would allow you to remember that there are ALOT of people who carry a 38 special revolver for protection and they do not make the power factor of 125 for the most part....

for example a
158gr RN Lead @ 770 is only 121PF
125gr Nyclad @ 830 is only 104PF
110gr hydrashok @ 980 is 108PF

so in a time and place when the snub nose .38 special is right up therein the top 5 guns used for CCW i think the power factor for SOME classes need to change... for example SSR needs to be lowered so factory 38 can be used.

Caliber and Ammo restirctions in IDPA are an arbitrary set point brouhgt in by bill wilson and crew on what they defined as the "minimum" self defense handgun they would carry..... and the 125 PF is a great start, not to many people argue over that.
 
Y'gotta draw the line somewhere...

Off the top o' my head here are a two reasons why I think .22lr isn't generally allowed in many action sports...

1. Where there's steel targets .22lr probably won't knock 'em down. I'd also hazzard to guess that .22lr boolits may even bounce off a steel target that a 9mm or above would knock down. This would be unsafe.

2. As bersmith pointed out... "NO FAIR". .22lr lacks the recoil of a centerfire round and... The game mandates the use of full power "duty" type ammo. Those are the rules... Like 'em or not.

That said... I think most MD's would see their way to making an exception for a shooter who for example couldn't handle a centerfire due to a medical condition or something of that nature. I've been to matches where a shooter was allowed to use a pistol instead of a rifle on a stage because of a shoulder injury... I've also seen shooters allowed to use a .22 rifle for the same reason.

And yeah... As bersmith suggested... Start a .22lr game. I'd be first in line 'cause all trigger time is good. :)
 
We shoot what we call idpa as in small IDPA with .22lr pistols during the winter months when our heavy snows preclude brass recovery. This year we only got it two idpa shoots as our snow disappeared early. We set up three stages plus an all steel stage and let the walls freeze in for the winter.

Pistols are started either from the holster or from the low ready position and stages are limited to the smallest mag capacity in the group as some of the guys only have one mag for their .22 pistols.

We have fun with it. We often limit the target to the head box only to ad some challenge to the stages.

Just a way to get out and play.

Take Care

Bob
 
JB said:
so why not just make a 22cal class
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One thing we found when shooting at IDPA targets with .22's it really becomes a speed shoot unless you limit the game to head shots only. The most challenge came when we set the tarets back to 15 - 20 yards. Hitting the Down Zero is not much of a challenge at ranges closer than 20 yards for most using .22 pistols. Fun though to make noise when you wouldn't be otherwise.

I know US Steel has a .22 divisions which is quite popular.

Take Care

Bob
 
TIM_COX said:
for example SSR needs to be lowered so factory 38 can be used.

Caliber and Ammo restirctions in IDPA are an arbitrary set point brouhgt in by bill wilson and crew on what they defined as the "minimum" self defense handgun they would carry..... and the 125 PF is a great start, not to many people argue over that.
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Good point. I am led to believe this is being looked at and I suspect we will see a lowering of SSR PF to around 110 with the new rule book. One of the Area Coordinators tested 20 different factory loadings of 38 Spl available in the US and found only one that met or exceeded the 125 PF floor.

Take Care

Bob
 
The Mission BC club shoots monthly Speed Steel events during the warmer months. One of the more popular classes at this is the .22 class. I shoot .22 in the morning to help wake up and then center fire semi or revolver in the after noon for a little more kick.

.22's powder up just fine from hitting steel. The only rounds I know of where we've had the odd bit of splashback came from jacketed center fire rounds where the copper cladding somehow came back at low velocity.

Bob, you're right about the .22's making the targets easy for the usual ranges. But what about reducing the size to something like 11x17 or regular printer paper size and use the regular range distance? If it'll help I've got CAD files for both the regular IPSC and the "headed square guy" targets I could email to you. Or use the prints to make up some sort of die to alow punching out cardboard reduced size targets so they can be taped just like regular targets.
 
one of the local clubs in this area does the opccasional "almost IDPA" shoots, using .22 pistols as well as .22 rifles....is a good time, and you get alot of shooters out trying the "IDPA rules" that youi normally don't see !
 
BCRider said:
The Mission BC club shoots monthly Speed Steel events during the warmer months. One of the more popular classes at this is the .22 class. I shoot .22 in the morning to help wake up and then center fire semi or revolver in the after noon for a little more kick.

.22's powder up just fine from hitting steel. The only rounds I know of where we've had the odd bit of splashback came from jacketed center fire rounds where the copper cladding somehow came back at low velocity.

Bob, you're right about the .22's making the targets easy for the usual ranges. But what about reducing the size to something like 11x17 or regular printer paper size and use the regular range distance? If it'll help I've got CAD files for both the regular IPSC and the "headed square guy" targets I could email to you. Or use the prints to make up some sort of die to alow punching out cardboard reduced size targets so they can be taped just like regular targets.
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PM sent.

Take care

Bob
 
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