Gremlin cz 858

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westwest

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Hi, I'm the owner of a "New" cz 858.

Are these rifles new or new manufactured rifles ? Mine has signs of wear on three of my magazines "top part" and not much cosmoline oil at all. Also the tip of the barrel is slightly chipped and worn. Anyone else experience this ?

I'm thinking maybe my rifle was returned to the store and I bought it second hand . Is there a way to find out if my rifle was ever registered ?

I'm hoping to take it to the range on saturday and try her out, but ive been reading so much about this "Gremlin" glitch and has me concerned. Is there a way I can check to see if my rifle has this gremlin without actually putting in a live round? and are there parts available to buy as a fix?

P.S the search function seems to not be working.........

Cheers
 
Mags

Bought an 858 from a dealer here on the board. Rifle sealed in plastic with cosmo. Mags all are worn/used on the tops. I'd heard that some surplus mags are used when selling these rifles. Have a VZ58 with new mags so...?
 
Magazines are normal to have wear, they are surplus from the cold war stockpile.
Rifle should look fairly new, but do not be alarmed if it has some wear, they are assembled from surplus parts and rebuilt to civilian specs, then shipped all the way here and fondled by many hands until you bought it.
Gremlin happens when you forget to burn incense and do a battle prayer for it, make sure you do that before you ignite your first round.
 
G37 said:
All '58's have the Gremlin.
Don't worry about it.

The only way you'd have it occur is if you were trying to "bump fire" or have a twitchy finger.

Yes, you can "test" to see if you have the Gremlin...

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/G37G37/Gun Stuff/?action=view&current=Gremlin.flv
The Gremlin is occurring the last 3 trigger pulls
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The last three trigger pulls seem to be premature ? Do many 858's have this problem, if so what are the dealers doing to correct this ?

Thanks
 
twyeh said:
Magazines are normal to have wear, they are surplus from the cold war stockpile.
Rifle should look fairly new, but do not be alarmed if it has some wear, they are assembled from surplus parts and rebuilt to civilian specs, then shipped all the way here and fondled by many hands until you bought it.
Gremlin happens when you forget to burn incense and do a battle prayer for it, make sure you do that before you ignite your first round.
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I take it yours does not have a "Gremlin" ?
 
westwest said:
The last three trigger pulls seem to be premature ? Do many 858's have this problem, if so what are the dealers doing to correct this ?

Thanks
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I never have the gremlin with my 858. I have close to 1000rds fired with and i have try to experiment the gremlin by pulling the trigger different way and the gremlin never show up:D
 
westwest said:
The last three trigger pulls seem to be premature ? Do many 858's have this problem, if so what are the dealers doing to correct this ?

Thanks
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The last 3 are premature... the striker should still catch though; this is why we can all still shoot the guns and enjoy! (It really only happens if you are trying to bump fire). This is the Gremlin ladies and gentlemen.

It's a "flaw" in the design born from the modified trigger group from Full-Auto to Semi-Auto-Only. The "Tabbed" carrier IS the fix.

Dealers cannot get "Tabbed" carriers at this time as they are only available in the US now (not for export) which is why it is awesome to finally get some now.

Cheers!~

I've never had the GREMLIN occur either while shooting real ammo, but, I experienced it one night twice while dry firing (and watching TV) which lead me to track it down and recreate it as an ALWAYS.
 
The magazines - all of them - were likely used during the last 45 years. The rifles were assembled from unused piles of parts. I don't think the Gremlin is universal though.
 
G37 said:
All '58's have the Gremlin.
Don't worry about it.

The only way you'd have it occur is if you were trying to "bump fire" or have a twitchy finger.

Yes, you can "test" to see if you have the Gremlin...

http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/G37G37/Gun Stuff/?action=view&current=Gremlin.flv
The Gremlin is occurring the last 3 trigger pulls
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I've shot my VZ in every manner possible. As of last weekend my round count on it is 61,500rnds. No Gremlin. I suspect that there's more to it than just trigger timing.. more like voodoo or some other black art.


As for the gremlin itself, we've offered a tabbing service here for the last year or so. $35, send in your carrier and we'll take care of it. We're almost ready to start selling tabbed carriers in large numbers as well as some other carrier-related goodies.
 
I think that's true! I have had two "gremlin" experiences. One was when I had just put on a new grip and the bolt was loose, effectively "auto-limpwristing" the gun, and one was when I just limpwristed the hell out of a shot for no reason...I think the gremlin is a matter of form, not a problem with the gun.

That said, I'd consider tabbing a carrier just for the hell of it if I had my gun apart and a pro tabber on hand.
 
ok guys... "limp wristing" is the cause of the gremlin, sure. I can take a ribbing, but now it's getting silly.

First, there could be many reasons for the Gremlin. I am not a Gremlin spokesperson or representative. I don't like the Gremlin. But, I know what I know. I've done it on seven different rifles and they all did it. Perhaps I need to do it to a hundred to justify my position on the topic.

For my purposes and my definition of the Gremlin in it's purest form, it is a design "flaw"; a result of removing the Full-Auto portion of trigger group. It's not a critical flaw as most will never experience it; even if one does experience it, it only requires a quick "rack" and you're ready to go minus one good cartridge.

*Don't let this dissuade anyone from owning a great rifle!

Anyone who is having any other failures not related to the above specifically, in my mind that is NOT the Gremlin, and all other problems not pertaining to the above specifically should not be referred to as "the Gremlin".

NO TAB!
http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/a...nt=Gremlin.flv

TABBED!!
http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/G37G37/Gun Stuff/?action=view&current=FixedCZ.flv

(Show me a non-tabbed, Canadian 58/858 and I'll show you the Gremlin in the exact same manner as in the first video.)

BTW, a weapon should function even when being "limp wrist-ed" believe it or not.

For the doubters, answer me this: Why are 58's in the USA getting the "tabbed" carrier? Please think about it before posting why you "think" the Gremlin doesn't exist.

This isn't too difficult to figure out, look at the mechanism and see how it works, you can do it with your own rifle as I have done in the video. You can even do it in slow motion.

~Cheers
 
No doubt that it's a design problem with taking a milsurp firearm and ripping out components and handing it out. I do not however believe that it occurs in 100% or all rifles. I've tried it in several, and some had it, some not. I believe that the tolerances in the parts can contribute to it. Some 'fit' right, some do not. I've tried replicating it in my gun and it won't happen. I've done so in others and it's there.. There's no pattern that I have figured out yet, but there is something to it. I've tabbed many carriers for customers, so it's obviously an issue for some.

Tabbing either way will solve it whether you have the problem or not, and it's a cheap solution.

Cheapest yet is practice your IA's and stoppage drills and soldier on. Personally if my gun had it, I'd tab it. In competition any stoppage can be a show stopper.
 
Thanks for reply Dave :)

As I said, I only did seven and they were all from the same time period'ish.

I can accept that it might not happen on all as you are saying it didn't happen to all that you tried in the same manner. Thanks!

I'm convinced (like you) that there is nothing to lose by getting a tabbed carrier and it's nice to know that this specific "potential" problem is eliminated completely by doing so :)

In my mind it's a must for these Semi-Auto versions and I plan on getting my carriers tabbed.

~Cheers

BTW I'm waiting for a NEW 858-2 ...it should be here next week (coming from Wolverine), you know I'm gonna check it ;)

I'll post video results here.
 
G37 said:
Thanks for reply Dave :)

As I said, I only did seven and they were all from the same time period'ish.

I can accept that it might not happen on all as you are saying it didn't happen to all that you tried in the same manner. Thanks!

I'm convinced (like you) that there is nothing to lose by getting a tabbed carrier and it's nice to know that this specific "potential" problem is eliminated completely by doing so :)

In my mind it's a must for these Semi-Auto versions and I plan on getting my carriers tabbed.

~Cheers

BTW I'm waiting for a NEW 858-2 ...it should be here next week (coming from Wolverine), you know I'm gonna check it ;)

I'll post video results here.
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Look forward to seeing the new video.

Cheers
 
Gremlin Part DEUX...

You know, I'd like to see a rifle that doesn't have the Gremlin ;)
Anyway, I opened the box, pulled the rifle... Gremlin! (as I suspected it would) ;)

I don't care, going to get the carrier "tabbed"
The rifle looks great! This is my 4th and it has the nicest paint job of all my previous (the factory must have perfected it).

Anyway, the Gremlin, part DEUX:

 
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