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So what is the ammo supply going to be?

Is there any plans to maintain supply of 7.62x39, or are we going to have another dry summer with excuses of the War in Iraq/Afghanistan/ dark side of the moon etc? Like 2007, 2008.

Also any plans to bring in large amounts of quality hunting ammo (non Chinese) for these rifles?

How about more modern Seller Bellot, or Winchester, Fiocchi, etc?

And more reloading components, such as powder, brass, arsenal primers, and quality hunting bullets such as Barnes tsx, etc?

Ideas anyone?
 
Totalitarianism!

I'm not spending anymore on rifles until they can do more than collect dust. It pains me to see American sites and all they have available for ammo but they are far more democratic than us Canadians. Our government is a sorry excuse made up of crappy British policies that give Canadians no say in what is decided. But we must like it because we roll it into a ball and have our kids on it. Sort of like dung beetle but with far less rights.

What is the purpose of being so #####rdly when allowing ammo into our borders? They plan on privatizing the atmosphere or something...
 
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What the hell is there to approve about ammunition?? As long as it's not prohibited (like explosive heads or flechette rounds) why does NRCAN not just let it in the country??

Protecting their jobs? Screwing us over? Anybody have any insight on this?
 
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What the hell is there to approve about ammunition?? As long as it's not prohibited (like explosive heads or flechette rounds) why does NRCAN not just let it in the country??

Protecting their jobs? Screwing us over? Anybody have any insight on this?
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They do it because we let them and they know they can get away with it. Look up the term "sheeple" and you can see why it is so easy for them to impose rule. 99% do not even question why or try and resist the BS that is going on so they keep going further with it.

Kind of like a child without boundaries, what they will do is limitless. Maybe we should organize a petition to change they way they do things as the function of government is to serve its people not the other way around.
 
Ohh so naive. It is money. Why is alcohol or tobacco so controlled? Big corporation decide what to bring in (stock holders as they call them) not us simple hunters or shooters. We just make money for them.
shredder said:
What the hell is there to approve about ammunition?? As long as it's not prohibited (like explosive heads or flechette rounds) why does NRCAN not just let it in the country??

Protecting their jobs? Screwing us over? Anybody have any insight on this?
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It's not money. IMO, while "because they can" plays a large part the biggest part is that these civil servants really believe they have a duty and obligation to determine what is "appropriate" and "safe" for masses in this country.

Big Brother is just looking out for you.
 
Stevo said:
It's not money. IMO, while "because they can" plays a large part the biggest part is that these civil servants really believe they have a duty and obligation to determine what is "appropriate" and "safe" for masses in this country.

Big Brother is just looking out for you.
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Well put Stevo! Why not lock us in cells so we cant smoke or hurt ourselves with the bad food they let corporations sell us and can lead the safest lives possible?

Ombudsman can go after the practices of an organization so maybe if everyone approach their local representative, we can make some headway. They really do serve a purpose and if things are being run in an unfair manner, those are the people that we should talk to. Just an idea.

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I'm sure the idiots at NRC were appointed by their liberal masters in the past. The whole department needs a good kick in the ass with a steel toed boot, maybe that would bring those idiots to their senses.
 
Wow. The ignorance spewed forth in this thread is nothing short of astonishing. Little wonder the firearms community can't get any forward progress with government agencies when all that's said is insulting, violent, and vitriolic.

As an explosives professional I happen to know the people at "NRCAN" (properly the ERD). They like working with industry and end users to make life easier. In fact, amateur fireworks manufacturing is about to become licensed and fully legal due to lobbying and consultation with the ERD by enthusiast groups. That means Joe Average will be able to obtain permission to manufacture his own explosives. How do you think that incredulously significant milestone was achieved? By diplomatic and friendly talks, or hateful rants about how they should cowtow to your demands? Wake up, people.
 
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Wow. The ignorance spewed forth in this thread is nothing short of astonishing. Little wonder the firearms community can't get any forward progress with government agencies when all that's said is insulting, violent, and vitriolic.

As an explosives professional I happen to know the people at "NRCAN" (properly the ERD). They like working with industry and end users to make life easier. In fact, amateur fireworks manufacturing is about to become licensed and fully legal due to lobbying and consultation with the ERD by enthusiast groups. That means Joe Average will be able to obtain permission to manufacture his own explosives. How do you think that incredulously significant milestone was achieved? By diplomatic and friendly talks, or hateful rants about how they should cowtow to your demands? Wake up, people.
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So how do you reconcile your experience with these civil servants compared to other actions they take, like banning sale and further import of the Czech M43 tracer ammo?

Edit: The US has a far more litigous enviroment than we do and they manage to import massive amounts of surplus ammo. How can our lack of it be attributed to anything other that the state blocking it on purpose, for no good reason?
 
I'll tell you what. I will be in Ottawa this week and will be meeting with the ERD. I could do the unthinkable and...ASK THEM?
 
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I'll tell you what. I will be in Ottawa this week and will be meeting with the ERD. I could do the unthinkable and...ASK THEM?
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Given comments made on CGN by importers like Marstar and Canada Ammo, I'm sure they've already been asked.

I look forward to hearing what they tell you.
 
Well knowing what I know I could take a stab at it.

Everything the ERD does is from a standpoint of explosives safety and public safety. Period. That is their sole responsibility whether people choose to believe it or not. My guess is if they disallowed bulk tracer ammo it was out of concern for the significant fire hazard they pose, not because they are liberal gun grabbers. Google "tracer fire hazard" and you'll get pages of sites discussing the matter. Can tracers be used safely? Sure. Is it likely though that idiots are going to start a lot of fires when they can burn through 1200 rounds for 200 bucks? Absolutely. Even if you're a careful shooter and take all the precautions you can, you can't control where a ricochet will go. Don't forget these people work for Natural Resources Canada. It's not difficult to put two and two together.

Now would I love to have a couple cases of 7.62x39 tracer and burn through it at the gravel pit? Hell yeah. Do I see ERD's point in prohibiting mass importation of it? Yes. Do I agree with it? To a point. I've seen enough idiots do stupid things with guns and explosives to know the idea has merit, regardless of how much we disagree. Natural Resources has enough of a headache from campers leaving their fires unattended and burning down millions of kilometers of forests, never mind adding millions of tracer bullets to the mix.

I would suspect a reasonable individual would at this point say, "Okay that makes sense, it sucks and I don't like it but I understand the reasoning." However I suspect what I'm more likely to hear is, "That's total bulls**t, they are just trampling on our rights, I should be allowed a machine gun and a 75 round drum full of tracers to shoot off wherever I want!" And that, my friends, is the kind of fodder that makes their case.
 
AK said:
Wow. The ignorance spewed forth in this thread is nothing short of astonishing. Little wonder the firearms community can't get any forward progress with government agencies when all that's said is insulting, violent, and vitriolic.
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Ding ding we have a winner! Like I said sheeples.

'It is often used to denote persons who voluntarily acquiesce to a perceived authority, or suggestion without sufficient research to understand fully the scope of the ramifications involved in that decision, and thus undermine their own human individuality or in other cases give up certain rights. The implication of sheeple is that as a collective, people believe whatever they are told, especially if told so by a perceived authority figure believed to be trustworthy, without processing it or doing adequate research to be sure that it is an accurate representation of the real world around them. The term is generally used in a political and sometimes in a spiritual sense.'

According to government agencies it is safe to smoke, drink alcohol, and gamble away your kids college funds. We are also the number one exporter of asbestos in the world so you can excuse my ignorance when allowing our government to base decisions on ethics.

You made coffee come out of my nose on that one but think you would save more lives banning golf clubs than all this crap combined.
 
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Well knowing what I know I could take a stab at it.

Everything the ERD does is from a standpoint of explosives safety and public safety. Period. That is their sole responsibility whether people choose to believe it or not. My guess is if they disallowed bulk tracer ammo it was out of concern for the significant fire hazard they pose, not because they are liberal gun grabbers. Google "tracer fire hazard" and you'll get pages of sites discussing the matter. Can tracers be used safely? Sure. Is it likely though that idiots are going to start a lot of fires when they can burn through 1200 rounds for 200 bucks? Absolutely. Even if you're a careful shooter and take all the precautions you can, you can't control where a ricochet will go. Don't forget these people work for Natural Resources Canada. It's not difficult to put two and two together.

Now would I love to have a couple cases of 7.62x39 tracer and burn through it at the gravel pit? Hell yeah. Do I see ERD's point in prohibiting mass importation of it? Yes. Do I agree with it? To a point. I've seen enough idiots do stupid things with guns and explosives to know the idea has merit, regardless of how much we disagree. Natural Resources has enough of a headache from campers leaving their fires unattended and burning down millions of kilometers of forests, never mind adding millions of tracer bullets to the mix.

I would suspect a reasonable individual would at this point say, "Okay that makes sense, it sucks and I don't like it but I understand the reasoning." However I suspect what I'm more likely to hear is, "That's total bulls**t, they are just trampling on our rights, I should be allowed a machine gun and a 75 round drum full of tracers to shoot off wherever I want!" And that, my friends, is the kind of fodder that makes their case.
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So, I must be unreasonable if I expect tracer ammo to be imported?

I imagine if they banned lighters and matches it would make a far greater impact on "public safety" than banning tracer ammo. I can only assume from your post that while you might not like a banning of Bic lighters, you'd still go along with it.

"Public safety" and "for the greater good" are great battle cries when you wish to impose your opinions rather than allow that which is legal.
 
On second thought, maybe I won't bother posting what they tell me. If this is the kind of crap I can expect to be directed at me as simply the messenger of someone else's decision, I'll just keep the knowledge to myself.
 
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