CFB Rifle Ranges -- Metric or Imperial

Beaver

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Hello,

When I last shot on a CFB Long Rifle Range, the mounds were in imperial distances (100 yards; 200 yards; etc.).

Have they gone metric or is there a plan to make them metric in the near future?

Why? I need to buy a piece of glass for one of my rifles and I want to make sure that it should be a MOA scope, not a metric scope.

Need to know A.S.A.P., as the scope I am considering is in stock and the shooting season will beginning soon.

NOTE: Vendor stated that he has two MOA scopes in stock because "I had ordered two for other customers that switched to metric." There must have been a reason for them to switch to metric when they originally wanted the imperial Minute Of Angel (MOA).
 
Hmm when i was in they were in yards, can't think they would spend the money to move the mounds, as whats the real difference in a yard or a metre, 1 yard is 36 in, 1 mwtre is 39.45 inches no real difference
 
Beaver - If you are in ON, C&D ranges at Connaught were rebuilt as metric, otherwise imperial. The other DND ranges available through ORA are Imperial.
FWIW, a metric scope's clicks are pretty close to 1/3 moa.
 
Yes, at Connaught A Range is still in yards and C and D and pistol are metric. I might suggest that MOA is MOA no mater where you shoot it and that would be what you want for just about any type of shooting like F Class, nothing to do with metric or imperial. You need plot sheets that are drawn to suit the distance.
 
Ian Robertson said:
Yes, at Connaught A Range is still in yards and C and D and pistol are metric. I might suggest that MOA is MOA no mater where you shoot it and that would be what you want for just about any type of shooting like F Class, nothing to do with metric or imperial. You need plot sheets that are drawn to suit the distance.
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Thank you very much, folks...

Sounds good... go for MOA, so I do not have to worry about conversions between rifles (my M14 has a Leupold scope in MOA).

FYI: It is my understanding that the military is willing to move mounds of dirt around on the ranges towards standardization. However, I do not think it is a priority, so who knows if/when it will actually get done... and/or if they are just rumors. 10 x 36 = 360 inch at the 1000 yard line.
 
Beaver: It's all good. MOA will work on a metric range since that is all I've got in my battery and I don't know any better. Tiriaq and IanRobertson are right. It's all good. I suggest getting out there with your existing ballistic charts for your loads/bullet/ velocities and then practicing in different wind conditions to see what your loads are doing. Nothing like good trigger time/ experience to learn.

And yes, while shooting with Tiriaq last summer at DCRA's NSCC, I had to learn to (sniper spotter) coach him with his 1/3 MOA or Mil or Metric Falcon. Good learning experience to be able to switch back and forth. :D

It's all good!

Barney
 
Iron Sights: I have Centrals that I bought in the 70's that were 3 clicks to the minute. In theory 1 click was one cm at 100m. They were and are still considered "Australian" minutes which are smaller than "British" minutes, British being approx true minutes depending on your sight radius. There is a fair difference and you can have Aus minutes with three or four clicks per. Bottom line is you need plot sheets that show you what a minute is on your sight and you need to be familiar with it so you can make wind changes correctly. In team matches for example the DCRA has Warner sights which every team member is expected to use if they don't have them already to make coaching consistent. I have drawn plot sheets for my club and DCRA for many years and there is a lot of combinations, Brit and Aus for five distances, english and metric, that's twenty different sheets right there, and then we can get into the US LR target and the ICFRA target and true minutes and and and.............forgot to mention that the NRAUK target at Bisley is different as wel.....
 
Well ther ya go..mix of both. The ranges out on the west coast are metric. (The old Heals range, Nanaimo and Volkes) Gagetown is metric, pretty sure Shilo was too, but that was a long time ago. Regardless what everyone else said...I run MOA scopes and have no problems I just convert the distances into yards
 
In Ontario, Cedar Springs and Winona range have just been changed to metric( Yes they moved the dirt around):eek: Both ranges are now limited to 400m max.:( Borden is in yards (Mons Range is 1000 yards) as well as Kingston (600 yards).
 
Hungry said:
Beaver: It's all good. MOA will work on a metric range since that is all I've got in my battery and I don't know any better. Tiriaq and IanRobertson are right. It's all good. I suggest getting out there with your existing ballistic charts for your loads/bullet/ velocities and then practicing in different wind conditions to see what your loads are doing. Nothing like good trigger time/ experience to learn.

And yes, while shooting with Tiriaq last summer at DCRA's NSCC, I had to learn to (sniper spotter) coach him with his 1/3 MOA or Mil or Metric Falcon. Good learning experience to be able to switch back and forth. :D

It's all good!

Barney
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You are absolutely right! It is all good...

Thank you ever so much to all those that provided feed back.

The result is that I purchased one of the two in-stock:
Falcon Menace 4-14x44FFP 14ML - ML16 Reticle / MOA Adjustment

Mike had said they were in-stock because other(s) had switched to metric. Since the customer is always right, I wanted to make sure that my choice was correct and that I did not want to go metric.

Yes, the .308 Salvage and the .308 Crazy Horse will shoot differently and need to be plotted seperately. But at least there will be less chance of mistake if both use similar units of adjustment. That and the fact that the reticle is in MOA, gave me a very strong bias towards MOA over metric.

Just in case anyone was wondering.

Once again... thank you for the very kind remarks.

It is all good :)
 
And regardless of the calibrations on the scope, you will have to shoot the rifle, and observe what the actual changes are.
Once you have established your true elevations, make sure you record them.
 
TGC said:
Hmm when i was in they were in yards, can't think they would spend the money to move the mounds, as whats the real difference in a yard or a metre, 1 yard is 36 in, 1 mwtre is 39.45 inches no real difference
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Or you could move the firing line. :redface:
 
Some were still in Yards in our ASU's AOR, but have recently converted them into Meters in the last 1 1/2 year.

Edit: Maynard already posted info.
 
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