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Hi I dug up this bayo in my KIT and started to clean it up. I found two sets of numbers 25 over 71 and also an A or a V by the screw. Scabard has 68 and 25 stamped on the little hook/keeper. Does anyone here know where and what this bayo is from? Also how should I go about cleaning it up. So far the rust that I've take off was with a few little files, but now I'm down to the base steel and don't want to be filing it away. Thanks.

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Looks like a Pattern 1853 for the long P53 or Snider Enfield. What is the interior diameter of the muzzle ring?
25 71 is for 25 Elgin Batt of Infantry rack #71.
 
If you're not sure... Don't Clean It!!!!!
Improper "Cleaning" may reduce it's value by as much as 50%.

Far too many people have taken a wire brush to rusted antiques, thinking that they're restoring them, only to find out that they've damage the item and made it almost worthless to collectors. Too much "Cleaning" can remove or obscure makers marks, proof marks and other marks that can date or identify an item.

Start with a simple wipe with a soft cloth and a light oil (WD40).

If you REALLY want to do more cleaning, try a using super-fine (#0000) steel wool and light oil (WD-40). Anything other than super-fine steel wool can cause damage. Again, just a few light wipes (5-10 wipes) to remove some of the surface rust. Don't try to get it nice and shiny! You don't want to remove the patina.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Brad
 
Staples57 said:
If you're not sure... Don't Clean It!!!!!
Improper "Cleaning" may reduce it's value by as much as 50%.

Far too many people have taken a wire brush to rusted antiques, thinking that they're restoring them, only to find out that they've damage the item and made it almost worthless to collectors. Too much "Cleaning" can remove or obscure makers marks, proof marks and other marks that can date or identify an item.

Start with a simple wipe with a soft cloth and a light oil (WD40).

If you REALLY want to do more cleaning, try a using super-fine (#0000) steel wool and light oil (WD-40). Anything other than super-fine steel wool can cause damage. Again, just a few light wipes (5-10 wipes) to remove some of the surface rust. Don't try to get it nice and shiny! You don't want to remove the patina.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Brad
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Hi Brad,

The rust that I've taken off so far was so thick that I couldn't even see the markings. Should I try to take out the screw or just leave it it's really tight. After I got most of the HEAVY rust off I tried using #3 wool and it has no effect I do have some #0000 here and I'll try that next and yes WD40 was my cleaner of choice.

I'll take a measurement later today with my caliper of the ID of the rifle ring.

So is this bayo really from the 25 Infantry Rack #71?

What is the Patina?

Thanks.
 
Bayonet

One way to check if a bayonet is for a muzzle loader. Hold it up and look through the socket if the blade is in line with the bore its for a beach loader and if it curves away its for a muzzle loader. It looks have a Pattern 53, but check if it has a liner inside the socket it may be a conversion to go on a Martini. If you try to put an old P53 bayonet on a repro musket polish out the inside of the socket so it won't scratch the finish on your musket.
 
From the ring ID it is a P1853 for percussion P1853 or Snider long rifles. Length is irrelevant since many of these bts were bushed to fit the MH and retained the same BL and OAL.
 
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