Wouldn't that just make it a staight pull bolt action?
Well if that was the reason I guess they think they have some fairly inept customers...
Perhaps they should've redesigned the mag release.
Norinco M305 vs Browning Bar
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Wouldn't that just make it a staight pull bolt action?
Well if that was the reason I guess they think they have some fairly inept customers...
Perhaps they should've redesigned the mag release.
May as well have a bolt gun then
To a hunter, having the follow up shot capabiity of a semi is what it's all about
Turn off the gas sytem and you have a one shot wonder.
I like the semi for that fast follow up as my deer hunting areas are open for 2 bucks.... And my favorite moose spot is RULED by big grizzes.
I suppose the BAR would come out on top with it's many caliber choices.
What does a BAR in 300 win weigh anyways?
Okay, you guys are giving me kind of some different answers here. I know the Bar, and a Remington semi are meant for hunting so they are lighter and easier to scope, that does'nt bother me because I use a ATV while hunting so the only time I really pick up the rifle is when Im going to shoot something. I don't mind spending the extra money to scope it out, because a new Bar or Remington is almost twice the price of a Norinco M305.
I just want to be able to fire .308 ammo reliable and without doing major mods to it. Why cant you run 180 gr bullets through it, but 170 gr is okay? What is the easiest way to upgrade the M14 so you can? Do I have to turn off the gas port? How do I turn off the gas port so I can ?
Lots information here, but I am new to the M14 so not all of it makes sense to me.
I have a SKS that I run surplus ammo through it for practise, but I also run regular Soft Point ammo through it safetly with no mods when I go Deer hunting.
Maybe I am naive to think that the M14 is just a similar,more powerful version of the SKS, but that is what I was kind of hoping.
I just wanted to be able to fire regular 180gr Winchester ammo through it once a year for Moose, and take it to the range another 5-6 times a year for some target shooting when I have the time.
I just want to be able to fire .308 ammo reliable and without doing major mods to it. Why cant you run 180 gr bullets through it, but 170 gr is okay? What is the easiest way to upgrade the M14 so you can? Do I have to turn off the gas port? How do I turn off the gas port so I can ?
Lots information here, but I am new to the M14 so not all of it makes sense to me.
I have a SKS that I run surplus ammo through it for practise, but I also run regular Soft Point ammo through it safetly with no mods when I go Deer hunting.
Maybe I am naive to think that the M14 is just a similar,more powerful version of the SKS, but that is what I was kind of hoping.
I just wanted to be able to fire regular 180gr Winchester ammo through it once a year for Moose, and take it to the range another 5-6 times a year for some target shooting when I have the time.
I don 't remember the weight exactly(runs of to check the rifle on a scale) runs back
The weight of the BAR MkI in .300 WinMag with scope and mounts is app. 8.5 pounds.
you can shoot 180'sthrough a 14, but it's awful hard on the action and stresses the oprod- what most people do is run 165's and be sure of your BULLET PLACEMENT- a premium 165 now will do what a 180 used to in terms of smashing bone and penetration- now as to being related to the sks- in NO WAY- it's related to a GARAND- think of it in terms of a 20 round garand in 308- they both suffer from the same problem as fas as bullet weights are concerned- as far as turning the gas system off goes, there's a screw that you push in and turn on the piston housing and that turns off the gas- it's easy
I did'nt mean it was related to the SKS, I know its a different type of gun. I was just meaning that there is a similarity, because they are both a battle rifle that fires surplus, and can be used for hunting. I know the M-14 is a much better gun.
So if the M-14 will fire 165gr no problem then it should be good for me.
What will it cost me, and what exactly are the parts I will need to run 180gr bullets with no problem. I think The Doc said something about it.
Just courious what would be the cheapest way possible to make it fire 180gr bullets.
So if the M-14 will fire 165gr no problem then it should be good for me.
What will it cost me, and what exactly are the parts I will need to run 180gr bullets with no problem. I think The Doc said something about it.
Just courious what would be the cheapest way possible to make it fire 180gr bullets.
i'd just go with the 165's , period- to do the 180 you need a sadlak piston as well as a usgi gas cylinder and probably some smith work to make it work- maybe m14doctor will come back on and give you a list-to get away quick and dirty, go with the 165's, 168 for match- that's good out to 600 meters, far beyond what you should take
Brownells has springfield armory inc parts
Not sure if they sell the gas cylinder complete (for export) BUT you can order the cylinder, spindle valve, spindle valve spring and spindle valve retaining pin as well as the gas plug as U.S. Made cylinders/plugs are not the same threads as chinese
Brownells also carries Sadlak NM grooved pistons.
I would also recommend a Wolfe oprod spring and a NM spring guide rod
Other than that, no other mods required.
Yer looking at an approximate 200 to 250.00 upgrade
Sell your spare norc assembly to recover 75.00 or so ... Or pack away as spare parts
Not sure if they sell the gas cylinder complete (for export) BUT you can order the cylinder, spindle valve, spindle valve spring and spindle valve retaining pin as well as the gas plug as U.S. Made cylinders/plugs are not the same threads as chinese
Brownells also carries Sadlak NM grooved pistons.
I would also recommend a Wolfe oprod spring and a NM spring guide rod
Other than that, no other mods required.
Yer looking at an approximate 200 to 250.00 upgrade
Sell your spare norc assembly to recover 75.00 or so ... Or pack away as spare parts
Replace complete cylinder assembly, re using the gas lock from the rifle as it is threaded in chinese (metric)
In most cases the NEW assembly will slide right on to the barrel's gas system splines, instal chinese gas lock.
Nothing to e altered or rethreaded, for the most part it's a simple swap over
In most cases the NEW assembly will slide right on to the barrel's gas system splines, instal chinese gas lock.
Nothing to e altered or rethreaded, for the most part it's a simple swap over
I think I will just go with the 165gr bullets then like so many of you suggested. I really doubt that a moose will be thinking:: "heh I was lucky that hunter shot me with a 165gr bullet because the 180gr bullet would of really hurt" :: . I think the Moose won't be able to tell the difference.
Just courious Doc, what will it cost me cheapest way possible to do the type of swapping of parts that you are suggesting to make it 180gr bullet ready?
Is it just the Cylinder assembly that I need to buy? just 1 part? I saw on a previous post, there is prices on some parts, but I take it that I just need to pick 1.
If I can do all the upgrades I need to do for under $100, I might just do it before I go hunting then. ( I have a feeling that I will turn into one of guys that upgrades everything on the M-14, just like all of you guys. LOL)
Just courious Doc, what will it cost me cheapest way possible to do the type of swapping of parts that you are suggesting to make it 180gr bullet ready?
Is it just the Cylinder assembly that I need to buy? just 1 part? I saw on a previous post, there is prices on some parts, but I take it that I just need to pick 1.
If I can do all the upgrades I need to do for under $100, I might just do it before I go hunting then. ( I have a feeling that I will turn into one of guys that upgrades everything on the M-14, just like all of you guys. LOL)
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If you make your own ammo, you can fire heavy bullets in an M14 (or M1 Garand) without any modification to the rifle and without damaging the rifle's gas system.
All that is involved is choosing an appropriate powder to give correct port pressure. This means choosing a quicker-than-usual powder, whose max charge weight with the heavy bullet that you want to shoot, is the same or less as the max charge weight of military ball ammo (for M14/.308, about 45 grains; for M1/.30-06, about 50 grains)
For example, I loaded some Nosler 220 Partitions for my M1 Garand, using 45-ish grains of IMR 4064 powder.
All that is involved is choosing an appropriate powder to give correct port pressure. This means choosing a quicker-than-usual powder, whose max charge weight with the heavy bullet that you want to shoot, is the same or less as the max charge weight of military ball ammo (for M14/.308, about 45 grains; for M1/.30-06, about 50 grains)
For example, I loaded some Nosler 220 Partitions for my M1 Garand, using 45-ish grains of IMR 4064 powder.
I currently don't make my own ammo, but I will be getting the equipment in the future. For now though, I will have to shoot 165gr bullets when hunting, or get the part(s) I need so I can fire 180gr.
I want to make it clear to a M-14 newbie here. Do I just just to buy Gas Cylinder Piston Titanium Nitride Coated With NM Groove
(SAD-140033) . like the one from FabSports. for $72.95
Is there anything other than that, so I can fire the 180gr bullets? Sorry if I keep asking the same question over and over, but I just want to be clear.
I want to make it clear to a M-14 newbie here. Do I just just to buy Gas Cylinder Piston Titanium Nitride Coated With NM Groove
(SAD-140033) . like the one from FabSports. for $72.95
Is there anything other than that, so I can fire the 180gr bullets? Sorry if I keep asking the same question over and over, but I just want to be clear.
you sound like you're making the 165 a poor second choice- fact is, if you look at the ballistics and b/c it CAN BE a BETTER CHOICE than the 180- and since you're iin ontario, there's not anything it won't take, save a really BIG moose, and even then with proper placement and construction, it'll take him too- i run 180's in my savage 99, but that's a rifle that can take it, and it's for moose, elk and whitetail- i can't remember the last time i saw a whitetail, but that's the east slopes of the rockies-
The inside diameter of most chinese gas assemblies are generously oversized when compared to thier u.s. Counterparts
This is also true when comparing pistons
Sadlak pistons are designed to be bang on spec to the original M14 rifle drawings (see their website)
Chinese pistons are over size and internal gas passage and port are also oversize.
It's my opinion, based on the above, that sadlak pistons are not meant for chinese assemblies
Also, I was looking at my hunting logbook today as bear season opens in few weeks, and every moose I've killed was with a 165 gr bullet.
If you want to use 180ks and such.... And only use the rifle occasionally and for hunting.... Sounds like you will go more confidently into the field with a BAR
This is also true when comparing pistons
Sadlak pistons are designed to be bang on spec to the original M14 rifle drawings (see their website)
Chinese pistons are over size and internal gas passage and port are also oversize.
It's my opinion, based on the above, that sadlak pistons are not meant for chinese assemblies
Also, I was looking at my hunting logbook today as bear season opens in few weeks, and every moose I've killed was with a 165 gr bullet.
If you want to use 180ks and such.... And only use the rifle occasionally and for hunting.... Sounds like you will go more confidently into the field with a BAR
